Identifying fatal disease by symptoms (as best possible)

[Eggcessive]

There are a lot of inaccuracies in this thread, so I wanted to correct some info. Hatcheries do not vaccinate all of their chicks for Mareks disease. Only chicks that are ordered to be vaccinated, and paid extra for are vaccinated. Feed store chicks which come from hatcheries are not normally vaccinated. Vaccinating chicks for Mareks does not contaminate and spread Mareks all over your property, leading to the spread of it. Having a vaccinated chicken in a flock with non-vaccinated, will not cause the non-vaccinated chickens to be exposed. Since the Mareks vaccine does not protect chicks from getting the virus, if the chicks are exposed by a carrier, many choose to not vaccinate. There are mixed feelings with having a Mareks positive flock. Some do vaccinate all new chicks, while others do not vaccinate, and may breed the ones who seem to have some natural immunity. There are lots of good articles published about Mareks from vet schools and organizations. There is a lot on misinformation posted online as well. So, it helps to read as much as you can, and take advise from reputable sources.

 

[Herbs and Eggs]

With all due respect, your comment is deeply concerning. First, you may want to review the difference between a necropsy (for animals) and an autopsy (for humans)—basic terminology matters, especially when advising others on serious poultry health issues as a doctor.

Second, suggesting that essential oils or a homemade Eastern formula can reverse a confirmed case of Marek’s disease is both misleading and potentially harmful. As someone who has actually studied Eastern medicine in Asia for 4 years, came back to western medicine for 5 years in the states, then continued studies in the middle east to gain a phd in states, and also has a strong background in veterinary science, I can tell you that your explanation shows a fundamental misunderstanding of avian anatomy and pathology. Do you even know what an air sac is, or how easily it can be compromised by improper handling and forced dosing? What you're recommending could easily lead to aspiration, renal complications or death.

Marek’s is a serious disease with no known cure, and while some supplements may support general care, claiming that birds routinely recover within 24 hours from a systemic viral cancer is not only biologically implausible—it’s irresponsible.

I read that post, I was not going to comment, but if someone finds this thread later- I want them to know that the advise given has many flaws. Cornell? yep- I know classmates well- then you would know the program structure. Please be cautious when making such definitive claims online. People's birds, and lives, are affected by the advice given here. Accuracy matters.

My dear CabrtaChicks:

A few items for you to mull over:
A.) This is a posting of peoples Experience. In my and my neighbors Experience, we have had great success with this protocol. The majority of hens (we can't have roosters) have not only survived but have flourished for many years (most of my ladies live 12 to 15 years), as long as we follow the protocol. As noted above, it does not cure it, it manages it. My Hens usually recover within a couple of hours, through the grace of God. That is the data.

B.) As noted in many of the posts, there are different strains, therefore there may need variation in the formula. Additionally, as we all know, each hens has her strengths and weaknesses which ideally need to be considered in the design of the formula, as well. This very general formula may help many while others may need modifications.

C.) As stated above I am not a vet. Not sure if you missed that?

D.) If you request an autopsy or a necropsy, any reasonable vet will easily understand this. Most lay people people understand what an autopsy is, while necropsy is not well understood. The goal is to communicate clearly.

E.) Over the past 30+ years of study in Eastern medicine (AKA Oriental Medicine, Asian Medicine, Traditional Chinese Medicine, Japanese Medicine, Korean Traditional Medicine, etc.) with several graduate degrees (including a PhD in OM) and a few more specializations, and have studied other medicines for most of 2 decades before that, the one thing I clearly know is that -

"If I don't know the correct protocol or formula, it is NOT because it does not exist, it is because I have not found it or it has not been figured out yet."

I am not the type of person to sit by and wait for someone else to figure it out while "beings" - Human, Furry, Feathered or Scaly, - suffer. Something to think about, especially since sounds like you are still early in your studies.

F.) I have been blessed to receive help from several schools of Ornithology and Veterinary schools over the decades. Perhaps it is due to the relationship I have with these people and schools, albeit I believe they would help others, as well. They are good people.

 

[Herbs and Eggs]

There are a lot of inaccuracies in this thread, so I wanted to correct some info. Hatcheries do not vaccinate all of their chicks for Mareks disease. Only chicks that are ordered to be vaccinated, and paid extra for are vaccinated. Feed store chicks which come from hatcheries are not normally vaccinated. Vaccinating chicks for Mareks does not contaminate and spread Mareks all over your property, leading to the spread of it. Having a vaccinated chicken in a flock with non-vaccinated, will not cause the non-vaccinated chickens to be exposed. Since the Mareks vaccine does not protect chicks from getting the virus, if the chicks are exposed by a carrier, many choose to not vaccinate. There are mixed feelings with having a Mareks positive flock. Some do vaccinate all new chicks, while others do not vaccinate, and may breed the ones who seem to have some natural immunity. There are lots of good articles published about Mareks from vet schools and organizations. There is a lot on misinformation posted online as well. So, it helps to read as much as you can, and take advise from reputable sources.

Greetings Eggcessive:

Much of your comment overlaps with may expereince and research. You may want to study more on virology, live virus vaccines and the Marek’s Disease Vaccine Serotype 3, Live Virus
It is likely this will change your view on this.

 

[CabritaChicks]

My dear CabrtaChicks:

A few items for you to mull over:
A.) This is a posting of peoples Experience. In my and my neighbors Experience, we have had great success with this protocol. The majority of hens (we can't have roosters) have not only survived but have flourished for many years (most of my ladies live 12 to 15 years), as long as we follow the protocol. As noted above, it does not cure it, it manages it. My Hens usually recover within a couple of hours, through the grace of God. That is the data.

B.) As noted in many of the posts, there are different strains, therefore there may need variation in the formula. Additionally, as we all know, each hens has her strengths and weaknesses which ideally need to be considered in the design of the formula, as well. This very general formula may help many while others may need modifications.

C.) As stated above I am not a vet. Not sure if you missed that?

D.) If you request an autopsy or a necropsy, any reasonable vet will easily understand this. Most lay people people understand what an autopsy is, while necropsy is not well understood. The goal is to communicate clearly.

E.) Over the past 30+ years of study in Eastern medicine (AKA Oriental Medicine, Asian Medicine, Traditional Chinese Medicine, Japanese Medicine, Korean Traditional Medicine, etc.) with several graduate degrees (including a PhD in OM) and a few more specializations, and have studied other medicines for most of 2 decades before that, the one thing I clearly know is that -

"If I don't know the correct protocol or formula, it is NOT because it does not exist, it is because I have not found it or it has not been figured out yet."

I am not the type of person to sit by and wait for someone else to figure it out while "beings" - Human, Furry, Feathered or Scaly, - suffer. Something to think about, especially since sounds like you are still early in your studies.

F.) I have been blessed to receive help from several schools of Ornithology and Veterinary schools over the decades. Perhaps it is due to the relationship I have with these people and schools, albeit I believe they would help others, as well. They are good people.

Don't call me dear, not early in studies. Blocking this chat. Don't PM me.

 

[Bawkbok]

Greetings Eggcessive:

Much of your comment overlaps with may expereince and research. You may want to study more on virology, live virus vaccines and the Marek’s Disease Vaccine Serotype 3, Live Virus
It is likely this will change your view on this.

@Eggcessive is one of our leading experts on all things chicken. Please don't be insulting, rude or condescending.