Illinois...

[Faraday40]

Totally non-chicken related, but my 5 yr old son was running around the house after school saying, "Saucy! Saucy! Saucy!" I of course stopped him to ask exactly what he was saying. He told me that's how you say gallop in ballet. (meaning chassé or sashay. His Kindergarten program had a visiting dance instructor today.) DD & I had a giggle. Then she joined her brother and the two of them chanted "Saucy! Saucy! Saucy!" as they danced around the downstairs. It certainly made my dinner prep a little more interesting today.

 

[ChicagoClucker]

Well, Minnie my bantam cochin has gone broody. Had to pull 4 eggs out from under her this morning. Its killing me not lettting her sit!

We shall see how long my will power will last.

 

[Pixie]

I too have been worrying about this as I saw it on another thread several months ago, I have not been able to find that thread since then so have not been able to even get a farmer's (aka my DH2B's) opinion on it. We don't have vets around here that would treat poultry that I'm aware of expensive or not. And I don't know any vets that would give an antibiotic to an animal they haven't seen or treated.

Not sure is you are all into reading law journals, but this was interesting: https://journals.law.stanford.edu/s...ournal-selj/print/2014/07/i_heinzerling_1.pdf

 

[Faraday40]

Well, Minnie my bantam cochin has gone broody. Had to pull 4 eggs out from under her this morning. Its killing me not lettting her sit!

We shall see how long my will power will last.

Oh, how do understand!

I've been eating several perfect lav orp eggs. The only 2 things preventing me from doing a test is that my incubator is in the attic & Cookie is not broody. She's taking longer in the nest box each day & I've been good about kicking her out. I doubt I'll be as forceful with her next month....

Since your cochin is already broody, you may want to consider allowing a few of your pretty orp eggs find their way to her nest. The female chicks would be laying before the end of the fall. (Sorry but I just had to say it.)

 

[ChicagoClucker]

I was thinking about it, but I have to many chickens already. I have to really be serious and put out some adds. Then I can start hatching. At least that what I should do.

 

[cavemanrich]

Not sure is you are all into reading law journals, but this was interesting: https://journals.law.stanford.edu/s...ournal-selj/print/2014/07/i_heinzerling_1.pdf

Pixie,,, I read ALLLLLLL 26 pages of your link,,,,

What I got out of it is MONEY TALKS ( antibiotic producers )

And what bothers me about FDA..
Keeping the Public in the Dark A final, overarching problem with the FDA’s plan for addressing antibiotics used in animal feed and water is that the plan will unfold largely in secret.
In red is from the article. Copy and paste.

 

[Pixie]

Pixie,,, I read ALLLLLLL 26 pages of your link,,,,

What I got out of it is MONEY TALKS ( antibiotic producers )

And what bothers me about FDA..
Keeping the Public in the Dark A final, overarching problem with the FDA’s plan for addressing antibiotics used in animal feed and water is that the plan will unfold largely in secret.
In red is from the article. Copy and paste.

It's totally crazy the things I am learning that government is doing "for our own good" lately. It doesn't stop with the FDA.

Just getting into reading about trucking laws (looking into getting a CDL permit soon). I just shake my head while reading. Gonna need a neck brace. LOL

 

[Faraday40]

Not sure is you are all into reading law journals, but this was interesting: https://journals.law.stanford.edu/s...ournal-selj/print/2014/07/i_heinzerling_1.pdf

Pixie,,, I read ALLLLLLL 26 pages of your link,,,,

What I got out of it is MONEY TALKS ( antibiotic producers )

And what bothers me about FDA..
Keeping the Public in the Dark A final, overarching problem with the FDA’s plan for addressing antibiotics used in animal feed and water is that the plan will unfold largely in secret.
In red is from the article. Copy and paste.

It's totally crazy the things I am learning that government is doing "for our own good" lately. It doesn't stop with the FDA.

Just getting into reading about trucking laws (looking into getting a CDL permit soon). I just shake my head while reading. Gonna need a neck brace. LOL

We're from IL. We should be used to backroom deals. How else are all those ghost payrolls going to get funded? All the loyal friends of career politicians deserve high paying jobs. We have our own "Governors Wing" in our prison. (Me being sarcastic)

I skimmed the article & it sounds so much like the brilliant idea they had about stopping meth dealers. The public supports a war on drugs. No one wants criminals to make meth. However, the policies in place are just stupid. First they made allergy meds (containing Pseudoephedrine) over the counter, so insurance companies no longer cover it. Then they made allergy meds difficult for consumers to buy. The end result is that criminals simply use different chemicals to make meth, while the average person must wait in line at the pharmacy, show ID, sign a document, & then finally pay to get a mere 10 days of allergy relief. The problem with the bureaucracy is that it's tougher to repeal such laws once they're in place.

The goal of reducing the amount of antibiotics in America's food supply is a good one. However, the new laws will not be effective to that end. If one truly wants healthier food, better to grow your own or buy the products that do not use antibiotics.

 

[MeepBeep]

I like it @cavemanrich
!

Came across this on the Vet Corner

Basically, by January 2017 all water based antibiotics will be by prescription. Here is a link to the list: [COLOR=0066CC]http://www.fda.gov/.../DevelopmentApprovalP.../ucm482106.htm[/COLOR]

Should be interesting to see how vets prescribe scripts to aquarist, there is a good reason most antibiotics for fish are sold OTC after all, it's not like it's convenient, easy or even healthy to transport fish to a vet of examination, as if most vets could properly diagnose fish diseases anyway... I'm wonder if existing 'aquatic use' loopholes will remain...

Also I have to question how effective the law once implemented will actually be, I see Tylosin is already and RX status drug, but it's trivial easy to obtain without a script...

I'm not endorsing violating the law, but when push comes to shove there are always international sources any of those antibiotics without a script, and I highly doubt that will change anytime soon...

 

[MeepBeep]

The public supports a war on drugs.

Just for the sake of argument, I don't and will never support a 'war on drugs' as it's a war that has never, will not and can not be won... It's a war that history has proven time and time again only ends in violence and continued extended criminal activities, all the while drug use continues...

One can read the history of the 18th Amendment and substitute 'drug' for 'alcohol' and the narrative is identical, but at least in that case people faced the reality of the failure...

Instead I support a policy of regulation, education and an out in the open medical support system to help curb use and abuse...

The sad reality is that the current war and policy has made it easier for minors (and even adults to) obtain prohibited drugs like marijuana, crack, meth, heroin, and cocaine then it is for them to legally buy a beer, a pack of smokes or even allergy medication, and that is simply pound your head on a brick wall backwards...