I'm confused on some PA laws?

[nuthatched]

Never too late to stop being a slave.

Sometimes we just have to move forward doing what we know is right.

True, but unfortunately there's been a growing movement of 'farmers are evil, people who raise animals for food are evil' and livestock can be destructive and smelly. If you try to categorize your livestock as pets, you can't sell or eat them in many areas. And many people raise livestock animals as pets and get their panties in a twist if you use them for what their for.

 

[Magda12]

Never too late to stop being a slave.

Sometimes we just have to move forward doing what we know is right.

If they came out and said it was agaisnt the code to drink water, would you stop drinking water?

Owning a farm in a residential area is one thing, keeping enough chickens to have eggs is another.

There are plenty of residential areas that allow chickens. There are also plenty that do not. Some people do not want to deal with the noise and smell of others people's farm animals, so they choose to live in places that don't allow them. We moved away from the city two years ago to be able to have a small homestead. We made the choice to move somewhere where we could do that without disturbing the peace of others in society. If a neighbor here has an issue with it? They need to move somewhere that it's not allowed. This is actually the proper way for a society to function. BTW, cost of living where we moved is significantly less, so it's not some luxury to live somewhere where you can have farm animals.

 

[Pickensandchigs]

There are plenty of residential areas that allow chickens. There are also plenty that do not. Some people do not want to deal with the noise and smell of others people's farm animals, so they choose to live in places that don't allow them. We moved away from the city two years ago to be able to have a small homestead. We made the choice to move somewhere where we could do that without disturbing the peace of others in society. If a neighbor here has an issue with it? They need to move somewhere that it's not allowed. This is actually the proper way for a society to function. BTW, cost of living where we moved is significantly less, so it's not some luxury to live somewhere where you can have farm animals.

True, but unfortunately there's been a growing movement of 'farmers are evil, people who raise animals for food are evil' and livestock can be destructive and smelly. If you try to categorize your livestock as pets, you can't sell or eat them in many areas. And many people raise livestock animals as pets and get their panties in a twist if you use them for what their for.

It's all mumbo jumbo, in America these ordinances aren't legal. We should be, and I am personally, involved locally to stop the people hating tyranny.. But a little civil disobedience goes a long way.

If you do not act against this, at least in some way, you'll know the reason you and your loved ones are hungry.

If you really are a timid victim.. still do whatever you can. Even if whatever you can do is simply to despise the ordinances and follow them begrudgingly.. do that so that you're not helping the ones who hate you.

People have kept chickens for many thousands of years.. Those people would have seen these rules as a direct attack on their personal security. Pitch forks and torches would have burned.. I'm not saying that is an appropriate modern response, but as the days pass and food becomes more scarce.. those responses will be our only recourse.

Better to bend the rules now, while you still have some say in your own destiny.. Put up a fight civilly.. Own it, go all the way.. Or light your torch later with an empty belly.

Whatever you decide to do or not do.. Just don't get on the keyboard and worship the unconstitutional rules, as if you love them.

 

[U_Stormcrow]

It's all mumbo jumbo, in America these ordinances aren't legal.

Those people would have seen these rules as a direct attack on their personal security. Pitch forks and torches would have burned.. I'm not saying that is an appropriate modern response, but as the days pass and food becomes more scarce.. those responses will be our only recourse.

Whatever you decide to do or not do.. Just don't get on the keyboard and worship the unconstitutional rules, as if you love them.

Actually, they are. So says the Supreme Court of the United States in upholding the Police Power of the States to set and enforce local zoning, or to divest some portion of that power to entities of their creation - local counties and municipalities.

Your view of history and what people would have done is ahistorical. I will however agree that history has demonstrated that starving populations do tend to attempt to overthrow their governance with unusual frequency.

SCotUS says its Constitutional - see my first response.

 

[Pickensandchigs]

What do I know..? Maybe its better to just fold up and take it.

You people have changed my mind.. I'm gunna go out and buy a councilman lunch.

 

[U_Stormcrow]

What do I know..? Maybe its better to just fold up and take it.

You people have changed my mind.. I'm gunna go out and buy a councilman lunch.

Honestly, that's a more effective way of changing an ordinance.

 

[Pickensandchigs]

Honestly, that's a more effective way of changing an ordinance.

You are a true Guru my friend.

 

[Pickensandchigs]

Actually, they are. So says the Supreme Court of the United States in upholding the Police Power of the States to set and enforce local zoning, or to divest some portion of that power to entities of their creation - local counties and municipalities.

Your view of history and what people would have done is ahistorical. I will however agree that history has demonstrated that starving populations do tend to attempt to overthrow their governance with unusual frequency.

SCotUS says its Constitutional - see my first response.

There is no history that would prove what past Americans would have done under this kind of tyranny... We have never experienced such.

 

[U_Stormcrow]

There is no history that would prove what past Americans would have done under this kind of tyranny... We have never experienced such.

Our own history, in the 1920s, says otherwise. Current events - you can read them in last century's paper.

This is about what the law *IS* - not what should be.

 

[Magda12]

There is no history that would prove what past Americans would have done under this kind of tyranny... We have never experienced such.

Actually, the founders were very much in favor of small local government. Towns, neighborhoods, municipalities, creating and maintaining law for those residents who could be directly involved. They were much more in favor of this than state or federal government (except the Federalists of course). They were not in opposition to any government, they were NOT anarchists, they were in favor of small, local government. Since there will always be people who want to keep chickens, as long as government stays local (which it won't, but that is a different discussion), there will always be those who form local governments that allow this.

Don't move to New York of you don't want government overreach.