I'm Sending Feed to be Analyzed

[U_Stormcrow]

They didn't.

The only "salting the fields" claim attributed to the Romans in the common knowledge is the supposed salting of Carthage at the end of the third Punic war. That's an invention of the 19th century, without support in the records of Polybius (sp?), Pliny the Elder or other historians of the Empire in the century or two following events. To the contrary, the fields of Carthage were siezed and given over to the commons for crop production, from which Rome recieved significant exports in the years following the razing of Carthage.

Some reading
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Even wikipedia gets it right

There is a differing salting of the earth to be found in the Old Text's Book of Judges, which I do not read as a literal history. Abimelech (not a Roman) is said to have used salt after the fight with Schelem, though how much salt and how is open to some interpretation.

I may have nearly failed latin, but that doesn't mean I didn't spend many sleepless nights translating passages from the Histories. Part of the reason I took medieval history in college after Calc II kicked my . . . - less to read than in Ancient history.




Also greater application to the modern world.

 

[Aunt Angus]

I'm sending it today, hopefully. My duck lays internally. She has the hormone implants, but I think she's filling up again. I'm going to try to get her in to the vet today because I have the day off. I will call when they opening a few minutes (it's not yet 8am here). That will take precedent, obviously.

I'm having it tested for guaranteed analysis as well as toxins/molds.

$800 later, any duck is a-ok. My wallet... not so much.

 

[Aunt Angus]

$800 later, any duck is a-ok. My wallet... not so much.

The things we do for our animals.... Sheesh...

 

[Lilion]

So why did the Romans Salt the fields of their conquered foe? oh, yea to make them dependent.

If that ever happened, which it probably didn't, it was to starve out conquered people and armies.

Similar strategy to poisoning wells and burning fields before opposing armies got there.

Back to lurking now.

 

[U_Stormcrow]

Similar strategy to poisoning wells and burning fields before opposing armies got there.

Back to lurking now.

This has historical precident.

Its how the Russians survived the German invasion. They destroyed their country as the Axis powers (Germany, specifically) advanced, into the Russian winter, depriving them of the ability to find shelter or forage, and requiring that they rely on ever lengthier supply lines, which themselves could be disrupted.

China did the same when faced with the invasion of Japan, at one point destroying a dam or dyke and flooding thousands of square miles with the pent up force of the Yellow river. Estimates put casualties around 3/4 million, and perhaps 3 million others displaced. (bought a brief respite)

I could go on?

The Persians and Alexander's Invasion (didn't work), the Armenians and the Ten Thousand (didn't work)*, the English in the Mercian countryside to force Hastian (a viking) to give up the fortress at Chester (worked). Peter "the Great" and one of the Chucks (I forget the number) [worked]

*Cyrus fell in battle, ending the conquest, but the Ten Thousand were able to spend years in enemy territory carving their way out. Xenophon's successes and insights in leading the troops out likely informed Alexanders efforts a couple generations later.

/edit it occurs to me I might be happier if I was more ignorant of our very human history

 

[Lilion]

This has historical precident.

Its how the Russians survived the German invasion. They destroyed their country as the Axis powers (Germany, specifically) advanced, into the Russian winter, depriving them of the ability to find shelter or forage, and requiring that they rely on ever lengthier supply lines, which themselves could be disrupted.

China did the same when faced with the invasion of Japan, at one point destroying a dam or dyke and flooding thousands of square miles with the pent up force of the Yellow river. Estimates put casualties around 3/4 million, and perhaps 3 million others displaced. (bought a brief respite)

I could go on?

The Persians and Alexander's Invasion (didn't work), the Armenians and the Ten Thousand (didn't work)*, the English in the Mercian countryside to force Hastian (a viking) to give up the fortress at Chester (worked). Peter "the Great" and one of the Chucks (I forget the number) [worked]

*Cyrus fell in battle, ending the conquest, but the Ten Thousand were able to spend years in enemy territory carving their way out. Xenophon's successes and insights in leading the troops out likely informed Alexanders efforts a couple generations later.

/edit it occurs to me I might be happier if I was more ignorant of our very human history

I love finding history buffs in unlikely places!

 

[BigBlueHen53]

I got a bag of buggy feed once. I took it back because I felt like the bugs had consumed the good stuff from the feed so it was no longer a complete feed.

Also the bugs poop the whole time they are eating.

I paid for good feed so that is what I want.

Makes sense.

 

[BigBlueHen53]

This has historical precident.

Its how the Russians survived the German invasion. They destroyed their country as the Axis powers (Germany, specifically) advanced, into the Russian winter, depriving them of the ability to find shelter or forage, and requiring that they rely on ever lengthier supply lines, which themselves could be disrupted.

China did the same when faced with the invasion of Japan, at one point destroying a dam or dyke and flooding thousands of square miles with the pent up force of the Yellow river. Estimates put casualties around 3/4 million, and perhaps 3 million others displaced. (bought a brief respite)

I could go on?

The Persians and Alexander's Invasion (didn't work), the Armenians and the Ten Thousand (didn't work)*, the English in the Mercian countryside to force Hastian (a viking) to give up the fortress at Chester (worked). Peter "the Great" and one of the Chucks (I forget the number) [worked]

*Cyrus fell in battle, ending the conquest, but the Ten Thousand were able to spend years in enemy territory carving their way out. Xenophon's successes and insights in leading the troops out likely informed Alexanders efforts a couple generations later.

/edit it occurs to me I might be happier if I was more ignorant of our very human history

Thanks, I find it fascinating and will be researching later.

 

[NorthwoodsChick]

I'd feel much more comfortable about all of this if there were test results out already. Why people haven't done this yet is beyond me. There's the one YouTuber, but reading that guy's bio does not instill confidence in a truthful report. Heck, I'm volunteering my time and money and I'm not even one of the affected parties. I've got more eggs than I know what to do with, and I use TSC feeds.

But if so many people all over the country are so concerned, why haven't we seen any actual proof that the feed is to blame? It very well could be the feed.

I'm pretty good at searching for this stuff. But the more I search, the more disheartened I become. It takes about 5 business days to get results from most labs, and there are many labs out there. If this has been reported on since late December/early January...??? I'd be all over it if it were my chickens. I don't want them to be unwell.
I'd switch feed (not to goat feed, for goodness sake) and have my go-to feed tested ASAP. I certainly wouldn't make the light year leap from "my chickens aren't laying well" to "the government/the WEF/Bill Gates is poisoning my chickens to control me" and spread that idea as a fact to the masses without doing some due diligence - which is exactly what's happening to the detriment of society as a whole. And I certainly wouldn't be so irresponsible as to repeat it as a hard truth without some actual proof. And, no - anecdotal evidence is not reliable without something more concrete to substantiate it.

Questioning = good. Making unsupported claims = bad.

Well said!!!
It’s far to easy to blame without proof and reject offers for objective testing of the theory. People today just want to be right based anecdotal evidence and the amount of social media hysteric generated.

 

[NorthwoodsChick]

In Japan, if one bird is suspicious of being sick the entire flock at that location is culled. All based on SUSPICION.
Currently there are reports of bird blu not only in the states but also around the world.
Now I ask you
Is it really that far out of the park to think about idea of the food industry pushing a lower production cost food that has lower risks of being infected (ie vegan eggs)?

Short answer, IMO is yes.
The production of vegan eggs being less expensive to produce than commercial chicken eggs. One would need a cost comparison analysis breakdown. Do you have some data?