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Welcome to BYC!

There is no "One Right Answer" or everyone would be doing it (except that one guy, because there's always that one guy...). How to feed your birds depends on your needs, your circumstances, your resources, and your goals. That said, for the typical backyard owner, of the typical backyard flock, under typical backyard management conditions, feeding an "All Flock/Flock Raiser"-type* crumble, to all your birds, all their lives, without regard to age, gender, status of molt, start of lay, etc is the best combination of nutrition for them, and ease for you. Seperate dishes of oyster shell and grit, as well as fresh clean water should always be available.

A "Treat" is anything NOT their complete commercial feed. Treats should be restricted to less than 10% of the diet, by weight daily - if you give them at all - and should be "rotated" so you don't give them the same treat every day. Treats are not inherently bad. Treats ARE inherently nutritionally unbalanced.

*For our purposes, an "All Flock/Flock Raiser"-type feed is 18-20% protein, 3.5% fat+/-, 1.5% calcium +/-, preferably with Methionine levels above 0.35%, Lysine of 0.7% or higher, Phosphorus of 0.6%+, and Fiber around 3.5%+/-. In that order of importance. Many "Starter" or "Starter/Grower" feeds also meet this definition, and during periods of shortage are used as alternative to "All Flock". The two most important things on the bag are the guaranteed nutritional analysis, and the date of manufacture. How the company describes their product is irrelevant.

Back to Treats - whatever, besides the All Flock, you feed your birds will NOT match the numbers above, meaning when averaged into the rest of their daily diet, some things might be higher, many things will be lower. Again, not because they are inherently bad, just imbalanced. Some treats - BOSS, BSFL, Meal Worms (particularly dehydrated varieties of the last two) are nutritionally dense, it takes only a small amount to really throw off a diet. All three are high protein (that's good). All three are also VERY high fat. As result, even when keeping to just 10% of the diet by weight, that small serving of BOSS/BSFL/etc might add 2-3% to their daily protein intake, but DOUBLE their fat intake. Nutritionally, that's like you eating 4 oz of lean chicken, wrapped in 4 oz of Crisco shortening. Not recommended as a long term meal plan...

Veggie scraps, due to high moisture content, and low nutritional value, don't have those imbalancing tendencies - plenty of people throw veggie peels, tops, bruised bits etc with limited concern. They are (usually) high fiber, so make sure your birds have a source of grit available. Try to avoid routinely offering highly sugary treats as well.
 
But other stuff?
What they would eat in the wild is as much what they can get as it is what is good for them. The things with the most nutritional impact are harder to find or get. Us giving them large amounts of meal worms daily, for example, because "they eat them in the wild" ignores the part about how often meal worms might be found by a chicken competing with everything else in the jungle that eats meal worms. Wild creatures are really not often in the best of health. And produce a LOT less eggs or meat in the case of chickens. It is an interesting factor and can be somewhat helpful but, in my opinion, should be used with caution.

So, I consider everything besides a good commercial mix, calcium (oyster shell or egg shell, usually) and grit to be treats for the reasons Stormcrow gave.

On the other hand, I wouldn't try to count how many critters or greens they find to eat when they range - it is impossible for all practical purposes for one thing. For another, it provides some unmeasured benefits that commercial diet does not - fresh air, exercise, things to do, and I think truly fresh food has some elements that provide significant health benefits but are not considered in commercial feed - like phytochemicals. I'm willing to accept the risk that it may (probably will) lower their production or shorten their lifespan.
 
What they would eat in the wild is as much what they can get as it is what is good for them. The things with the most nutritional impact are harder to find or get. Us giving them large amounts of meal worms daily, for example, because "they eat them in the wild" ignores the part about how often meal worms might be found by a chicken competing with everything else in the jungle that eats meal worms. Wild creatures are really not often in the best of health. And produce a LOT less eggs or meat in the case of chickens. It is an interesting factor and can be somewhat helpful but, in my opinion, should be used with caution.

So, I consider everything besides a good commercial mix, calcium (oyster shell or egg shell, usually) and grit to be treats for the reasons Stormcrow gave.

On the other hand, I wouldn't try to count how many critters or greens they find to eat when they range - it is impossible for all practical purposes for one thing. For another, it provides some unmeasured benefits that commercial diet does not - fresh air, exercise, things to do, and I think truly fresh food has some elements that provide significant health benefits but are not considered in commercial feed - like phytochemicals. I'm willing to accept the risk that it may (probably will) lower their production or shorten their lifespan.
I free range pasture as well. It's good for behavior, improves flavor (but not!!! Tenderness), likely has some health benefits offsetting the greater risks. But I deliberately crafted (and continue to craft) an extremely diverse pasture for them to graze without stands of any particular crop.

In part to keep them from imbalancing their diet too much. Today, they are doing it in a way that's beyond my control. Termites are swarming, and they are greeting the little buzz as they reach the surface. It's not an everyday thing, I'm not complaining.
 
Welcome to BYC!

There is no "One Right Answer" or everyone would be doing it (except that one guy, because there's always that one guy...). How to feed your birds depends on your needs, your circumstances, your resources, and your goals. That said, for the typical backyard owner, of the typical backyard flock, under typical backyard management conditions, feeding an "All Flock/Flock Raiser"-type* crumble, to all your birds, all their lives, without regard to age, gender, status of molt, start of lay, etc is the best combination of nutrition for them, and ease for you. Seperate dishes of oyster shell and grit, as well as fresh clean water should always be available.

A "Treat" is anything NOT their complete commercial feed. Treats should be restricted to less than 10% of the diet, by weight daily - if you give them at all - and should be "rotated" so you don't give them the same treat every day. Treats are not inherently bad. Treats ARE inherently nutritionally unbalanced.

*For our purposes, an "All Flock/Flock Raiser"-type feed is 18-20% protein, 3.5% fat+/-, 1.5% calcium +/-, preferably with Methionine levels above 0.35%, Lysine of 0.7% or higher, Phosphorus of 0.6%+, and Fiber around 3.5%+/-. In that order of importance. Many "Starter" or "Starter/Grower" feeds also meet this definition, and during periods of shortage are used as alternative to "All Flock". The two most important things on the bag are the guaranteed nutritional analysis, and the date of manufacture. How the company describes their product is irrelevant.

Back to Treats - whatever, besides the All Flock, you feed your birds will NOT match the numbers above, meaning when averaged into the rest of their daily diet, some things might be higher, many things will be lower. Again, not because they are inherently bad, just imbalanced. Some treats - BOSS, BSFL, Meal Worms (particularly dehydrated varieties of the last two) are nutritionally dense, it takes only a small amount to really throw off a diet. All three are high protein (that's good). All three are also VERY high fat. As result, even when keeping to just 10% of the diet by weight, that small serving of BOSS/BSFL/etc might add 2-3% to their daily protein intake, but DOUBLE their fat intake. Nutritionally, that's like you eating 4 oz of lean chicken, wrapped in 4 oz of Crisco shortening. Not recommended as a long term meal plan...

Veggie scraps, due to high moisture content, and low nutritional value, don't have those imbalancing tendencies - plenty of people throw veggie peels, tops, bruised bits etc with limited concern. They are (usually) high fiber, so make sure your birds have a source of grit available. Try to avoid routinely offering highly sugary treats as well.
Thank you, this was really helpful!
 

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