"in breeding" question

Discussion in 'General breed discussions & FAQ' started by chicken burger, Jan 18, 2011.

  1. chicken burger

    chicken burger Chillin' With My Peeps

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    I need some help with pairing up my flocks.

    I have 2 sets of chicks.

    Question 1: both sets share a father, but the mother's are different. so a Cockrel and a Pullet from the two different batches are technically half brother and sister. would this be an acceptable pairing?

    Question 2: can a cockrel breed with his mother?

    Question 3: as far as I can understand, fathers and daughters are okay?

    help would greatly be appreciated.
     
  2. Barred Babies

    Barred Babies Red Roof Farms

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  3. rearrolled

    rearrolled Chillin' With My Peeps

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    1: u can not inbreed

    2:a rooster can not breed with his mother

    3:farthers and daughters can not breed

    u need 2 sets of chickens if u want to exspand eg: male femal male female

    chicks chicks
    then sell the males and switch the female chicks over

    thats how i made my bisnes
     
  4. Raven81

    Raven81 Chillin' With My Peeps

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    i have been told that mother son & father daughter can be done but only for 3 generations before you run into problems.
    also brother to sister for 2 generations before you have genetic probs.
    im talking hatch mates from like a trio or more.
    im not an expert this is just what i have heard so if i am wrong im sure someone here will correct me [​IMG]
     
  5. kathyinmo

    kathyinmo Nothing In Moderation

    Here are a couple graphs:

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    from Robert Blosl
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    An intensive form of line breeding where an individual with highly desirable traits(S) is mated to his daughter(D1) and daughter's daughter(D2) and so on, in order to maximize the percentage of S's genes in the offspringÂ’s. The D3 offspring would have 87.5% of his genes while D4 offspring would have 93.75%. Such breeding methods can be used to create a "near clone" of a desirable individual
    Linebreeding is a form of inbreeding practiced by some animal breeders. To "fix" desirable traits in a breed of animal, without as high a risk of producing undesirable traits that may occur with close inbreeding.
    A typical example of linebreeding would be what in human parlance would be considered a mating of first cousins or more distantly related individuals who share a common ancestor.
    While linebreeding is less likely to cause problems in the first generation than does inbreeding, over time, linebreeding can reduce the genetic diversity of a population and cause problems related to a too-small genepool that may include an increased prevalence of genetic disorders and inbreeding depression
    http://nhpr.org/node/32592
    http://www.featherauction.com/detail.asp?id=326
    http:// www. ultimate fowl.com/wiki/index.php?title=Line_Breeding
    http:// www. ultimate fowl.com/wiki/index.php?title=Rhode_Island_Red​
     
  6. chicken burger

    chicken burger Chillin' With My Peeps

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    [​IMG] yikes, this is far more complicated than I thought. Which brings me to an inevitable question which I had never asked myself before.....What do I want to do with my chickens? Do I want to become a breeder to sell breeding pairs? Do I want to breed a show bird? or do I just want fresh eggs??? [​IMG]

    Thank you so much for all this info guys! Whichever way it turns out, you have set me on the right path to do whatever it is, in the correct way. Those diagrams are going to keep me busy for a few evenings!
     
  7. chicken burger

    chicken burger Chillin' With My Peeps

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    I would also just like to add that it's not for lack of money or stingyness that I'm not buying new birds. the problem I have is that where I stay there are very few breeders. 2 to be exact. I have been trying for some time to get into contact with them, but it's vitually impossible. there is no relpy. These breeders also do not sell hens seperately. The ONLY sell trio's. so If I want 6 hens, I have to buy 2 roosters with them. what do I do with the excess roosters then? (IF I finally get to buy a pair?)
     
  8. Lotsapaints

    Lotsapaints Chillin' With My Peeps

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    Those are not extra cocks you need them for genetic diversity you need to read some on the Heritage breed forum or PM Bob Blosi you need to have "spare" roosters and should keep some full brothers after you've been hatching them out.....Rare breeds is a good thread too for breeding methods have fun no more spare time for you....
     
  9. chicken burger

    chicken burger Chillin' With My Peeps

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    Quote:[​IMG] eeeeeek! it feels like I'm on a rollercoaster and cant stop! At first I got myself some silly little mix breed bantams (4 hens) at the local feed store. I thought I just wanted a few chooks around because they are pleasant and they give me eggs. Then my father in-law baught me a hen and rooster at a charity auction. He braught them to me and I was instantly inlove. The little rooster was SO pretty. Then I started googling about different breeds to see what breed he is. Then I found BYC. Obviously BYC has only watered my new found addiction. I learned that the chickens my father in-law gave me were dutch x OEG bantams. I was stangely dissapointed to learn that they were not show quality. And then shrugged it off because I didn't want to show chickens....or did I? Then I got a batch of chicks from them....one of the chicks had grey legs? So that meant that the dutch bantam gene's were for some reason more dominant in that specific chick? So then I started wondering if I could eventually breed a true dutch bird again with the two birds I already have... Or if I used the pullet with the grey legs with the father again, if I might have MORE dutch chicks until the OEG is gone, or I could swing it the other way with the OEG. Some of the other pullets from the same batch have more OEG characteristics.....

    All of a sudden though, It's not just about having chooks in the backyard. NOW I want more. and the more questions I have, the more I realise that I need to start dabling with genetics. This worries me. just the word genetics gets me nervous. I suppose it's the inevitable next step for me. I just wonder if anyone will have the patience to see it through with me.

    as for the heritage, there is no way for me to find out where these two birds actually come from. They were wondering around on some old ladies farm. She caught them and sent them to the church for the auction.

    Is there a forum around here where someone like me who has NO experience in genetics can go to learn more. Where I can ask endless questions? Obviously google is my first stop, but I know there will be questions google can't answer.
     
  10. punky rooster

    punky rooster Awesome

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    Quote:where did you get this from if I may ask?
     
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