Inbreeding and Line-Breeding Poultry

We keep all of our unwanted cockerels and grow them for meat. That might only be 6 weeks if we need the coops space, but we don't wasteful destroy life. We keep a laying flock and any hen that can lay an egg goes there or is sold as a breeders cull (we don't sell cull cockerels). Our incubation capacity is much smaller than yours. We only hatch about 3-4 dozen eggs at a time so a few breeding trios can supply all the eggs we need for hatching purposes.

Large capacity hatcheries in the US usually don't pair cockerels and hens to produce show quality birds. They usually use a breeding plan called flock mating. This plan keeps large flocks of about 200 hens and about 10 cockerels. Rather than hand pairing cockerel that offset the defects and weaknesses in the hen they let the whole flock run together and for the birds to have free selection. The difference is that only about one in 1000 birds from the hatchery is show quality where about one out of 10 birds in carefully culled and pair pen could achieve show quality.

Many lines are started from hatchery stock or from crossing two lines so that the line starts with a good cross section of the available gene pool. When they start they will have about 1 out of 10 birds that are good quality, 1 out of 100 that are really good, and one out of 1000 that are show quality. If the breeder only breeds from the good birds (top 10% of the flock) their first year and does a good job of culling and selection then in the 2nd generation the flock could be 1 out of 10 that are really good quality and one out of 100 that are show quality. If they repeat the process then in the 3rd generation they could arrive to where 1 out of 10 birds are show quality.

To maintain the flock in the top tier of the potential of their gene pool exhibition breeders must continue to cull and pair. Mother nature wants to distribute all the genes evenly over the birds and doesn't give preference to the ones that make the breed standards. You will hear people say that it only take two years for a good line to be ruined. The that is because without good culling and selection you move in the opposite dirrection. If you start with stock from a top exhibition line, but don't do a good job of culling and pairing you could go from a ratio of 1 show quality bird out of 10 to 1 out of 100 in your first generation, and in the year after that from one out of 100 to one out of 1000 that will be show quality. This is is what is called the rule of tens and it goes both way. By only breeding the top 10% you inproove the frequency of top quality birds and by failing to do that you decrease that frequency.
 
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Well that certainly explains all the complaints about hatcheries. Here in my little town Clocolan in South Africa is a hatchery. The owner has about 200 runs. Each run has about 3-6 chickens depending on whether it's used for breeding or raising. The typical run will have one cock and two hens, three hens if they are older and laying less. The eggs are marked with the run number, so fertility and compatibility can be monitored. ( Compatibility meaning than sometimes even some good looking birds together can give low grade chicks and a simple repairing solves the problem.) He has a huge breeding facility.

He sells everything from fertile eggs to POL hens. I once bought a phoenix cock that failed to put anything in the eggs and he replaced it. Like a store where you take back a defective product. It seems there really is a world of difference in the way things can be done.

My commercial breeds are in pins of 12 birds. 9hens(all sisters) and 3 stud cocks. For now, in the summer its 9 hens to one cock. Has to be that way to keep the fertile eggs at 90%. The more expensive breeds are kept in runs. With the big breeds like Orpingtons 2 hens and one cock and the smaller breeds like blue mottle Pekins one cock to four hens. We raise cockerels ( as you call them, funny side comment, out here cockerel is a swear word) to 13 weeks and sell live. Surprisingly the people here want their meat birds live as refrigeration is a luxury.

The only place in this country I've seen a flock of two hundred chickens were boilers.

So do you know, in a flock of two hundred all together, how would they know if a cock is blowing blanks ?
How would you see which hen lays deformed or oversized eggs, or if she lays at all ?
I cannot imagine how the management works.

Wow.
 
On popular breeds and popular hybrid layers, the pens are even larger at the hatcheries. Sometimes as many as 100 cock birds and 1000 young hens. There is no selection. Thus natural tendencies of the males to dominate means that only the most dominate, most aggressive males mate the hens. Thus, the chances of getting an aggressive males seems much more prevalent a complaint with roosters folks buy from hatcheries.

Another issue is that with most hatcheries, the breeds have drifted far, far away from their origins and correct type. Even among fanciers and hobbyists, the work of maintaining these breeds is very, very hard work. The hatcheries main concern is to hatch out lots and lots of chicks, at a profitable rate. Thus, surviving monetarily and profits take precedence over the birds produced being very representative of the breed's true characteristics. Breeders can normally spot hatchery quality stock a kilometer away.

I don't claim to know all the breeds well. But I do know Plymouth Rocks well having kept them and bred since over a 50 year period. It doesn't take much squinting to see that most hatchery quality Barred Rocks have been injected with Mediterranean blood in order to lay many, many eggs. More eggs means more profit margins for the hatcheries.

I also keep Rhode Island Reds and I don't know of a single large hatchery that produces the true type Red. Not one. Some come closer than others, but all fall far short.

Do hatcheries serve a purpose here? Oh yes. They produce healthy, easily available birds virtually year around. The birds are also extremely inexpensive. The hatcheries are to birds that McDonald's is to fast food. I enjoy a Big Mac and I love McDonald's fries.
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But I'm not confused into thinking that it is the same as a quality crafted, home cooked, deliciously prepared meal.

Here's two young pair of Barred Rocks. All these birds were/are mine. They aren't just photos I found somewhere. So, what difference do you see?




 
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Most livestock breeders that breed for production use an F1 cross. It is also called hybrid vigor. One primary feeder cow is a black baldy. That is a cross between a Black Angus and a Herford (White Face). If a breeder gets a black cow that doesn't produced white faced calved from a Herford bull she is culled because he can't prove that the calves are crosses and they aren't worth as much on the feeder market.
 
I am a beginner at breeding LF Salmon Faverolles, a mostly very docile bird. In handling these, now 10 months old, ( I hatched them myself from a bator, they all live together and are handled the same) the pullets mostly allow me to stroke their backs and do not run from me and they allow me to scoop them up to be held and do not try to squirm away. They are not a flighty bird in being handled. However I do have 2 or 3 that are quite the opposite. They are the same age, but are difficult to handle, they seem to hate being touched, picked up and handled in any way. Do you think I should cull these from my breeding program? I am breeding them to their brother at this time who is a very nice bird to touch and handle. When I reach down to pick him up he simply squats a bit to allow me to pick him up and them I tuck him under my left arm. He does not squirm to get away. This is a very desirable trait to me and I would think it would be to others as well, as I do plan on selling off the chicks at the local fur and feather swaps. :) He is a good cockerel to his girls as he calls them over to fresh trays of food when I provide them and he is not overly exuberant in his breeding of them. His brother I have removed from the pen because he never gave the poor girls a break from breeding them and was always on them causing them to loose all of the feathers on their backs and heads, also he was difficult to handle. UGH!
 
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I've just started my own flock of Mottled Javas. The breeder gave me 5 pullets and 1 cockrel that were cousins, I do believe. I'm excited to breed and strengthen the genetics of this heritage breed. This has been especially helpful to me! Thanks for all the great info.
 
so this year in january i hatched out a few rhode island reds...which i put their parents together and had them sit on the eggs...when the chicks were 5 months old i took them and showed them at my county fair...the judge said they were some of the best reds hes ever seen...(i took a cockerel and a pullet)...scence they did so well i wanted to breed them together and have some more good looking chickens to sell or to show...and i was wondering if i could breed the brother and sister together and still end up with a perfectly normal chicken?
 
Hey BlackPanther, good to see you today.

Interested in doing some great reading? I've got a link for you. The SOP is copyrighted which is why you don't see it plastered all over the web. However, there is an awesome Standard that dates to earliest days of the Barred Plymouth Rock. Awesome because in over a century? There's been really inconsequential change in it. Really cool.

Here's an eBook of the Standard, I believe 1913. I've read it over and over and over again.

http://archive.org/stream/americanstandard00ameriala#page/n3/mode/2up

Here's the eBook of the Breed Book. Incredible stuff.

http://archive.org/stream/plymouthrockstan00amerrich#page/n3/mode/2up
Great link~ thank you.

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