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[ChickenCanoe]

Omg CC I am so sorry to hear of your challenges. You are always so helpful to everyone on BYC, you should have tons of good karma coming your way. I will have you, your wife and your farm in my prayers. I have a hive of bees now. My SIL put it on my property, so luckily she is taking care of it.

Thanks, bless you.

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Because you have enough cool birds to cover your half of the state

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not any more
I've had over 30 cool breeds. I'm down to one and continue to fight the predator battle. I'm down to 4 buildings that I'm sure are predator proof. I have a lot of construction to do.

hmmmmm

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Oh My Paddler!! I pray all went well with the wife! What did she trip on? She was trying to help you out and look what happens, that sucks! They say men are stubborn I seem to find that women are the stubborn ones in our chicken community!

big impact with that tree gone? bummer, it didnt hit anything of value? Electric stayed on? I pray things get better with your bonanza and wife heals quickly. I used to get stung a lot working at the country club, and I have no clue why they always seem to shoot for the eyes! my worst was one of those huge yellow bee things that just started to come around this area about 15 or so years ago, sucker stung me on top of the head and my entire head ears face swelled up, I never felt anything so painful! horrible but not as horrible as my two year old years ago almost loosing his life due to a nest of bees under a old railroad tie staircase at our old house. Was terrible ride in the ambulance but so much better at the hospital when they had him breathing better.


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She's back home. They told her they could have closed the wound better if she had gone in last night. What I said.

I was shocked I didn't lose power. I didn't even know there were branches that big in the tree. There are 3 huge oaks lining the driveway and that is down by the road. They are easily 70' tall. The whole place is big trees and very little space with enough sun ( 8 hrs.) for gardening.
The cable line was on the ground which supplies phone, cable and internet but didn't get disconnected.
When I picked up bee supplies, I talked to a beekeeper that got stung and passed out, falling onto a hive he was working on. I forget how many times he was stung on his face and head but his head was like a beachball. He obviously survived but he hadn't been allergic before but now is going through alergist therapy getting a couple treatments monthly and may have to do so as long as he keeps bees.

Day 27 for two pea eggs. One pipped internally yesterday, the other was moving yesterday, but not much today. Had a funny feeling it was a malpo, so I decided to take a peak... It was dead. Will post pictures later.

Chicken Embryo Malpositions and Deformities1

Gary D. Butcher and Amir H. Nilipour2​

Detailed information describing the categorization and incidence of embryo malpositions and deformities in commercial poultry is not readily available. Additionally, there is often little consistency in these data among hatcheries. Any decrease in the number of usable chicks may result in substantial economic loss to poultry integrations. In a typical hatch, it is common to lose about 1%–2% of the chicks due to deformities and malpositions. Deformities manifest during the process of embryo development, while malpositions occur in the last week of incubation before hatch. At a commercial hatchery over a 5 year period, more than one-half million eggs had been broken out for quality control purposes and many thousands of unhatched embryos had been examined to determine the frequency of the various deformities and malpositions. The objective of this study was to determine the relative incidences of malpositions and deformities, and their economic impacts. Major factors affecting their occurrence will be explained. Obviously, in any population it is anticipated to encounter malpositions and deformities during embryonic development. However, the incidence must be within accepted limits and changes must be made when excessive losses occur.
Malpositions

Investigation has demonstrated that the incidence of embryos unable to hatch due to malpostions varies from 1.2% to 1.8%, with an average of 1.5%. Malpositioned embryos are unable to pip the eggshell and escape due to improper positioning within the egg in the hatcher. It is interesting to note that numerous malpositions have been described, with some embryos exhibiting only one form of malposition and others experiencing combinations of malpositions. The majority of eggs with malpositioned embryos, as found in hatch residue, included embryos dead in shell, probably resulting from exhaustion and/or lack of oxygen. A smaller number of eggs contained live embryos trying to pip. Loss of embryos due to malpositions may be costly; therefore, it is important to routinely monitor the percent of the embryos not hatching. If the incidence due to malpositions exceeds the standard, corrective measures must be taken. Table 1 summarizes the most common malpositions present in routine egg breakouts from the common broiler breeder crosses currently used in the industry. The incidences vary for the light and medium breeder cross lines.

Table 1.
Incidence of the common malpositions
Malposition #

Description of the malposition

%
1

Head between thighs

12.5
2

Head in the small end of egg

7.5
3

Head under left wing

7.5
4

Head not directed toward air cell

4.5
5

Feet over head

20.0
6

Beak above right wing

48.0

An embryo provided an optimum environment for development will position itself around 17–18 days of incubation for hatch. The proper position is with the head under the right wing with the head directed toward the aircell in the large end of the egg. The results of this study demonstrate that malposition #6, which is beak above the right wing, constitutes almost 50% of the malpositions, followed by position #5, feet over head with a frequency of 20%.
There are numerous reasons that malpositions occur. In a normal population, the incidence should not exceed 2.0%. If the incidence is elevated, breeder and egg management practices must be investigated and appropriate changes made to resolve the problem. Common reasons for increased incidences of malpositions are:

• Eggs are set with small end up. As part of a monitoring program, check eggs in the egg room or in the setters to ensure that eggs have been set correctly.
• Advancing breeder hen age and shell quality problems.
• Egg turning frequency and angle are not adequate. Proper frequency of turning through a 45 degree angle assists the embryo to position for hatch. The standard turning rate in the setter is 1 per hour.
• Inadequate percent humidity loss of eggs in the setter. Acceptable weight loss of eggs from setting to transfer is 11%–14%.
• Inadequate air cell development, improper temperature and humidity regulation, and insufficient ventilation in the incubator or hatcher.
• Imbalanced feeds, elevated levels of mycotoxins, and vitamin and mineral deficiencies.
• Exposure to lower than recommended temperatures in the last stage of incubation.

Deformities

In any animal population during embryonic development, there is a predictable incidence of embryos that die or are not able to hatch due to deformities. Based on this comprehensive investigation, data demonstrated that the percent of deformed embryos ranged from 0.22 to 0.30% of the total hatch. These findings suggest that hatchability declines on the average of 0.25% due to malformed chicks. A combination of deformities and malpositions can be manifested simultaneously. Table 2 shows the incidence of common deformities observed from embryos at 15 to 21 days of incubation. The most common deformities are those of exposed brain (29%), without eye(s) (25%) and with beak abnormalities (+/-35%).

Table 2.
Incidence of common deformities
Deformity

Description

%
1

Exposed Brain

29
2

Without eye(s)

25
3

4 legs

10
4

Deformed beak

27
5

No upper beak

8
6

Deformed twisted leg

1

Conclusion

The objective is to produce the maximum number of healthy chicks from eggs set. The percent hatchability in the commercial poultry industry ranges from 78%–88%. Many variables affect the level of success, including environmental temperature and humidity, lighting, body weight management, strain of breeder, etc. Normally, loss of about 1.8% of total hatch due to malpositions and deformities can be anticipated. However, if this is elevated, necessary corrective measures must be taken. The importance of a routine embryo diagnosis program can not be overstated. Without such a program and access to data generated, it is difficult to detect when increases in incidences of 0.5%–1.0% deformities and malpositions occur. Thus, it is not possible to “know where to look” for the problem and make the necessary changes. The competent hatchery manager will consistently be able to obtain superior hatches by being able to identify even small problems and promptly resolve them. In most cases in the hatchery, problems with hatchabiltity are due to a combination of several unresolved smaller problems.

-Kathy

Thanks for posting that.
It's important for people to remember that in the best conditions (commercial hatcheries) you still have up to 20% or more that don't make it.
I guarantee that those hatcheries that are setting thousands of eggs a day, they don't do assisted hatches and cull any chicks that aren't quality.

 

[Chaos18]

Who, me? Never!!

Bad idea!
-Banti

I don't see why it's such a bad idea.

 

[Chaos18]

Day 27 for this peachick egg that *just* pipped externally.


Also with it is this Muscovy eggs that I removed from the nest of squished ducklings:

It started zipping a couple of hours ago.

RCOM is running hot, so trying to get that sorted...

-Kathy

 

[BantyChooks]

I don't see why it's such a bad idea.

"The voices" are best not listened to. Usually they do not advocate common sense.
-Banti

 

[Chaos18]

"The voices" are best not listened to. Usually they do not advocate common sense.
-Banti

You obviously haven't heard my voices. They have some awesome ideas.

 

[BantyChooks]

You obviously haven't heard my voices. They have some awesome ideas.

Ermm.... No.

Your voices are the worst!
-Banti

 

[kwhites634]

I am near Carthage if you need anything. I will be going up I-44 headed to the Chicago area Memorial day weekend.

Stay off of I-94 if you can; it's been "under construction" every time I've been there in the last 15 years! Just about get up to speed from one work site & you hit another. Major PITA!

 

[Chaos18]

Ermm.... No.

Your voices are the worst!
-Banti

Ermm....No

 

[Akrnaf2]

I'm not sure how anything could look so mythical, yet so real at the same time. Has to be the little stars...

It wings are upside-down!

 

[Chaos18]

Ermm.... No.

Your voices are the worst!
-Banti