they are so cute...
Indian Runners
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Lydia- The Emery Penciled Runner is dark dusky with the Runner pattern. Basically the same color as a dark Campbell, but with the Pied/Runner pattern genes. Put another way, it is the same thing color wise as the Penciled Runner, but without the sex-linked brown dilution (Penciled Runners are basically the same color as Khaki Campbells with the addition of the Runner pattern). So, basically the difference in color between the two is the same as the difference between Dark and Khaki Campbells.
The US version of the Penciled Runner is referred to as "Fawn and White" in the UK/Europe. Our Fawn and White is the Penciled color (Khaki basically) plus double Blue dilution. Our Blue Brown Penciled is the same color just with single Blue dilution.
As you can see, all of these colors are very similar genetically and they can all be breed together rather easily. I hope this helps.
Lydia- The Emery Penciled Runner is dark dusky with the Runner pattern. Basically the same color as a dark Campbell, but with the Pied/Runner pattern genes. Put another way, it is the same thing color wise as the Penciled Runner, but without the sex-linked brown dilution (Penciled Runners are basically the same color as Khaki Campbells with the addition of the Runner pattern). So, basically the difference in color between the two is the same as the difference between Dark and Khaki Campbells.
The US version of the Penciled Runner is referred to as "Fawn and White" in the UK/Europe. Our Fawn and White is the Penciled color (Khaki basically) plus double Blue dilution. Our Blue Brown Penciled is the same color just with single Blue dilution.
As you can see, all of these colors are very similar genetically and they can all be breed together rather easily. I hope this helps.
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I LOVE white runners, I am ordering white and Emery from Holderreads this year coming. Darn, your ducks are nice.
Fowlman- Gorgeous Whites! I love the White Runners. I wish they were more popular. They are always a popular color for shows, but I don't think a lot of people keep them that don't show. In a group though, they are just beautiful.
Gofasterstripe- Did you verify with the Holderread's that they will sell you specifically the Emery Penciled as ducklings? Normally, they don't do that. They just sell them as part of the assortment. I would really verify with them so you are not disappointed months from now. They have also been trying to completely sell out of their Whites for a couple years, so I would probably verify for sure they will have those too.
Fowlman- Gorgeous Whites! I love the White Runners. I wish they were more popular. They are always a popular color for shows, but I don't think a lot of people keep them that don't show. In a group though, they are just beautiful.
Gofasterstripe- Did you verify with the Holderread's that they will sell you specifically the Emery Penciled as ducklings? Normally, they don't do that. They just sell them as part of the assortment. I would really verify with them so you are not disappointed months from now. They have also been trying to completely sell out of their Whites for a couple years, so I would probably verify for sure they will have those too.
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I LOVE white runners, I am ordering white and Emery from Holderreads this year coming. Darn, your ducks are nice.
Fowlman- Gorgeous Whites! I love the White Runners. I wish they were more popular. They are always a popular color for shows, but I don't think a lot of people keep them that don't show. In a group though, they are just beautiful.
Gofasterstripe- Did you verify with the Holderread's that they will sell you specifically the Emery Penciled as ducklings? Normally, they don't do that. They just sell them as part of the assortment. I would really verify with them so you are not disappointed months from now. They have also been trying to completely sell out of their Whites for a couple years, so I would probably verify for sure they will have those too.
Yes Ma'am...I sent an email first asking if I order them will I get them they said yes. They said that they dont have many of them thats why they dont advertise them, but since I asked I will get them. I also printed out the email and sent that too
. I might be green but I aint cabbage...I had all my ducks in a row before my form got sent out.
Fowlman- Gorgeous Whites! I love the White Runners. I wish they were more popular. They are always a popular color for shows, but I don't think a lot of people keep them that don't show. In a group though, they are just beautiful.
Gofasterstripe- Did you verify with the Holderread's that they will sell you specifically the Emery Penciled as ducklings? Normally, they don't do that. They just sell them as part of the assortment. I would really verify with them so you are not disappointed months from now. They have also been trying to completely sell out of their Whites for a couple years, so I would probably verify for sure they will have those too.
Yes Ma'am...I sent an email first asking if I order them will I get them they said yes. They said that they dont have many of them thats why they dont advertise them, but since I asked I will get them. I also printed out the email and sent that too
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I am saying that ones that look like mine will be flighty. The short fat ones might not be as nervous. I like it because they run in packs and "school" like fish.
A group of runners moving is a wonderful sight.
Walt
I loved the Short fat ones bit...made me chuckle
So further down you said you sit on a chair and watch them and they dont interact with you. I sit on a chair and watch mine every day, to check everyone out, make sure no one is linping, no gunky eyes and just plain old making sure they are healthy by sight. So..my question is. If your ducks dont interact with you, how do you catch them up ready for shows. How do you clean them, make sure they look good feather wise. Are they used to being handled. I dont know the 1st thing about showing but have seen pics of peole holding chickens and ducks by their feet, can you do that with Runners with them being so long or do they just stand in a cage for showing, or do you have to get them out and let the judge look over them. If they have to be handled do they freak out or what.
I am saying that ones that look like mine will be flighty. The short fat ones might not be as nervous. I like it because they run in packs and "school" like fish.
A group of runners moving is a wonderful sight.
Walt
I loved the Short fat ones bit...made me chuckle
So further down you said you sit on a chair and watch them and they dont interact with you. I sit on a chair and watch mine every day, to check everyone out, make sure no one is linping, no gunky eyes and just plain old making sure they are healthy by sight. So..my question is. If your ducks dont interact with you, how do you catch them up ready for shows. How do you clean them, make sure they look good feather wise. Are they used to being handled. I dont know the 1st thing about showing but have seen pics of peole holding chickens and ducks by their feet, can you do that with Runners with them being so long or do they just stand in a cage for showing, or do you have to get them out and let the judge look over them. If they have to be handled do they freak out or what.
very good questions:
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I have shown runners since 1974, so when I say they are flighty I mean they are flighty for the average person. I have had thousands of runners and I know how to train them for a show. Lucas Films has had me train runners for their Ewok TV films. Birds "know" when they are not going to be threatened. Early on I spend a lot of time with my show prospects. Much of that time is with individual birds in show cages. I want my birds to keep some of the wildness, so that when they run them in a show they stand fully erect and show themselves to very best. It is a fine line. Before the running part of the judging, the ducks have to be able to be safe in their cage. Safe to me means they cannot be hanging upside down in the cage because they are freaked out. (see attached pics of runners in a show..note how long and slim they are) These are very tall birds. I very seldom show females because I find them difficult to train (sorry ladies!). I do show them in large shows, but only to fill out classes. It is very important to me that they are safe, so training is a must.
No duck should ever be picked up by the legs. Their legs can break fairly easily if they are held by the legs. I also never pick up ducks by the neck. Proper treatment of the birds is part of making them feel safe around me. Once I have a runner in hand, they settle down. They somehow know that it is OK.
Walt
I have shown runners since 1974, so when I say they are flighty I mean they are flighty for the average person. I have had thousands of runners and I know how to train them for a show. Lucas Films has had me train runners for their Ewok TV films. Birds "know" when they are not going to be threatened. Early on I spend a lot of time with my show prospects. Much of that time is with individual birds in show cages. I want my birds to keep some of the wildness, so that when they run them in a show they stand fully erect and show themselves to very best. It is a fine line. Before the running part of the judging, the ducks have to be able to be safe in their cage. Safe to me means they cannot be hanging upside down in the cage because they are freaked out. (see attached pics of runners in a show..note how long and slim they are) These are very tall birds. I very seldom show females because I find them difficult to train (sorry ladies!). I do show them in large shows, but only to fill out classes. It is very important to me that they are safe, so training is a must.
No duck should ever be picked up by the legs. Their legs can break fairly easily if they are held by the legs. I also never pick up ducks by the neck. Proper treatment of the birds is part of making them feel safe around me. Once I have a runner in hand, they settle down. They somehow know that it is OK.
Walt
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I am saying that ones that look like mine will be flighty. The short fat ones might not be as nervous. I like it because they run in packs and "school" like fish.
A group of runners moving is a wonderful sight.
Walt
I loved the Short fat ones bit...made me chuckle
So further down you said you sit on a chair and watch them and they dont interact with you. I sit on a chair and watch mine every day, to check everyone out, make sure no one is linping, no gunky eyes and just plain old making sure they are healthy by sight. So..my question is. If your ducks dont interact with you, how do you catch them up ready for shows. How do you clean them, make sure they look good feather wise. Are they used to being handled. I dont know the 1st thing about showing but have seen pics of peole holding chickens and ducks by their feet, can you do that with Runners with them being so long or do they just stand in a cage for showing, or do you have to get them out and let the judge look over them. If they have to be handled do they freak out or what.
Ok..let me go back and re phrase what I was trying to say about holding the feet/legs. The photos I have seen somewhere on here, they are holding the ducks body in 1 hand and the legs are scooped back under them and they have their legs held in between their fingers. Me I would never hold a duck by that way or by the neck, I dont like to even see people hold birds by the tops of the wings next to the body.
So my next question would be...sorry, for being a pain in the butt...Could you give me a list of books...if there are any that show and tell me how to show ducks, about feeding, conditioning, handling from early age, getting them used to stuff, what to look for in babies and growing to adults if they are good, bad or indifferent for showing. I like to read and research before I do anything with anything I have, so if you could give me a list at least I can look and learn before I leap. Thank You. x
I am saying that ones that look like mine will be flighty. The short fat ones might not be as nervous. I like it because they run in packs and "school" like fish.
A group of runners moving is a wonderful sight.
Walt
I loved the Short fat ones bit...made me chuckle
So further down you said you sit on a chair and watch them and they dont interact with you. I sit on a chair and watch mine every day, to check everyone out, make sure no one is linping, no gunky eyes and just plain old making sure they are healthy by sight. So..my question is. If your ducks dont interact with you, how do you catch them up ready for shows. How do you clean them, make sure they look good feather wise. Are they used to being handled. I dont know the 1st thing about showing but have seen pics of peole holding chickens and ducks by their feet, can you do that with Runners with them being so long or do they just stand in a cage for showing, or do you have to get them out and let the judge look over them. If they have to be handled do they freak out or what.
Ok..let me go back and re phrase what I was trying to say about holding the feet/legs. The photos I have seen somewhere on here, they are holding the ducks body in 1 hand and the legs are scooped back under them and they have their legs held in between their fingers. Me I would never hold a duck by that way or by the neck, I dont like to even see people hold birds by the tops of the wings next to the body.
So my next question would be...sorry, for being a pain in the butt...Could you give me a list of books...if there are any that show and tell me how to show ducks, about feeding, conditioning, handling from early age, getting them used to stuff, what to look for in babies and growing to adults if they are good, bad or indifferent for showing. I like to read and research before I do anything with anything I have, so if you could give me a list at least I can look and learn before I leap. Thank You. x
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I loved the Short fat ones bit...made me chuckle
So further down you said you sit on a chair and watch them and they dont interact with you. I sit on a chair and watch mine every day, to check everyone out, make sure no one is linping, no gunky eyes and just plain old making sure they are healthy by sight. So..my question is. If your ducks dont interact with you, how do you catch them up ready for shows. How do you clean them, make sure they look good feather wise. Are they used to being handled. I dont know the 1st thing about showing but have seen pics of peole holding chickens and ducks by their feet, can you do that with Runners with them being so long or do they just stand in a cage for showing, or do you have to get them out and let the judge look over them. If they have to be handled do they freak out or what.
Ok..let me go back and re phrase what I was trying to say about holding the feet/legs. The photos I have seen somewhere on here, they are holding the ducks body in 1 hand and the legs are scooped back under them and they have their legs held in between their fingers. Me I would never hold a duck by that way or by the neck, I dont like to even see people hold birds by the tops of the wings next to the body.
So my next question would be...sorry, for being a pain in the butt...Could you give me a list of books...if there are any that show and tell me how to show ducks, about feeding, conditioning, handling from early age, getting them used to stuff, what to look for in babies and growing to adults if they are good, bad or indifferent for showing. I like to read and research before I do anything with anything I have, so if you could give me a list at least I can look and learn before I leap. Thank You. x
The way you describe the holdnig that you have seen is great for chickens, but not ducks, especially bigger ducks. I wouldn't even hold a bantam duck like that. In shows waterfowl are very seldom handled. They have trained people to bring the runners to the judging ring, but there is no other reason to handle a duck in a show. Occasionally when I'm judging I have to handle a duck, but very seldom.
As far as information goes, I would google it and start from there. I did all my reading 40 years ago, so I don't know where to send you. Sorry!
Walt
I loved the Short fat ones bit...made me chuckle
So further down you said you sit on a chair and watch them and they dont interact with you. I sit on a chair and watch mine every day, to check everyone out, make sure no one is linping, no gunky eyes and just plain old making sure they are healthy by sight. So..my question is. If your ducks dont interact with you, how do you catch them up ready for shows. How do you clean them, make sure they look good feather wise. Are they used to being handled. I dont know the 1st thing about showing but have seen pics of peole holding chickens and ducks by their feet, can you do that with Runners with them being so long or do they just stand in a cage for showing, or do you have to get them out and let the judge look over them. If they have to be handled do they freak out or what.
Ok..let me go back and re phrase what I was trying to say about holding the feet/legs. The photos I have seen somewhere on here, they are holding the ducks body in 1 hand and the legs are scooped back under them and they have their legs held in between their fingers. Me I would never hold a duck by that way or by the neck, I dont like to even see people hold birds by the tops of the wings next to the body.
So my next question would be...sorry, for being a pain in the butt...Could you give me a list of books...if there are any that show and tell me how to show ducks, about feeding, conditioning, handling from early age, getting them used to stuff, what to look for in babies and growing to adults if they are good, bad or indifferent for showing. I like to read and research before I do anything with anything I have, so if you could give me a list at least I can look and learn before I leap. Thank You. x
The way you describe the holdnig that you have seen is great for chickens, but not ducks, especially bigger ducks. I wouldn't even hold a bantam duck like that. In shows waterfowl are very seldom handled. They have trained people to bring the runners to the judging ring, but there is no other reason to handle a duck in a show. Occasionally when I'm judging I have to handle a duck, but very seldom.
As far as information goes, I would google it and start from there. I did all my reading 40 years ago, so I don't know where to send you. Sorry!
Walt
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How tall are your white runners fowlman?
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