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[Leahs Mom]

what causes a CX chick to be fine yesterday, and tonight she is walking like she is drunk to the point of falling on her face? She has no other symptoms, just walks like a drunk and falls on her face is it, she is eating non medicated grower/finisher, free ranging, ( well she was yesterday ) and drinking.

@chick rookie

Often times - and usually - a "b" vitamin issue.... Riboflavin, thiamine often. There are quite a few articles, including the Merck Veterinary manual, that talk about these issues.

Natural remedy:
-raw high quality liver, chopped into tiny pieces and fed
-high quality brewers yeast (Lewis labs if you only need it for a few birds works well.)

Synthetic Remedy:
-Poly-vi-sol children's vitamin liquid drops NO ADDED IRON just the regular formula.




I posted this quite some time ago, but thought it might be useful to you to read through so going to repost here:

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When I first heard about various "B" vitamins having an effect on leg issues w/chickens was a few years ago in one of Joel Salatin's books. Here is some info that is very interesting on riboflavin in young chicks in particular. I think if you click on the images they will come up large enough to read.

Quote:
Pastured Poultry Profits
Author: Joel Salatin
Chapter 26 In It's Entirety
For Educational Purposes Only. No copyright infringement intended










Someone had remarked earlier how they wondered how the birds could be fine one day and not able to walk the next. In another part of JS book, he mentioned that was what happened. One day they were in that condition. After feeding the liver, they recovered quite quickly as well.


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[Indyshent]

Feathered feet

Extra toe

Hatched him myself from a donated light brown egg that I was originally told the people only had marans. When the eggs arrived there were blue eggs in there. So I was like, the blue ones aren't marans eggs. Found out they had some ameraucanas as well. When he hatched I called the people and were like what other chickens do you have? They said only marans and ameraucanas. I love the little guy but it's driving me crazy not knowing what he is.

Houdans, Silkies, Dorkings, Faverolles and Sultans have 5-toes. Sultans, Silkies and Faverolles also have feathered feet, but the Marans may have had those too. Spitzhauben, Polish, Sultans, Houdans, Silkies and Crested Cream Legbars have crests. Legbars and Ameraucana lay blue eggs, so if he throws any green- or blue-egg-laying daughters, you'll know at least one of those is in his woodpile.

We know his mom laid light brown eggs, but you'd know if you'd ordered LF eggs and got a Silkie egg in the mix, so we can cross them off the list of moms.Light brown eggs means that it wasn't a Maran or Ameraucana that laid him (unless they have really low quality Marans). They're mistaken, malicious or stupid if they think that chick's either Maran or Ameracauna because neither breed lays a light brown eggs anyway. What I'm concerned about here is the distinct possibility that the seller didn't own one or both of the parents.

The other possibility is that the seller doesn't realize he/she has a bird which is neither Maran or Ameraucana. None of the five-toed breeds can pass for either of the seller's proposed parent breeds . Polydactyly can arise in any breed and can show up as the result of multiple genetic combinations... typically, however, it's the result of a dominant gene, which means--vast majority of the time--that at least one parent had it. Aside from that, my thoughts are that this chick is a mix. He may have Marans in him, but he's definitely not 100%. I'm not sure how crested genes work, so I can't say for sure whether one or both of his parents should have had crests.

Did any of the hatched Marans chicks have feathered feet?

 

[jenaman]

Houdans, Silkies, Dorkings, Faverolles and Sultans have 5-toes. Sultans, Silkies and Faverolles also have feathered feet, but the Marans may have had those too.  Spitzhauben, Polish, Sultans, Houdans, Silkies and Crested Cream Legbars have crests. Legbars and Ameraucana lay blue eggs, so if he throws any green- or blue-egg-laying daughters, you'll know at least one of those is in his woodpile.

We know his mom laid light brown eggs, but you'd know if you'd ordered LF eggs and got a Silkie egg in the mix, so we can cross them off the list of moms.Light brown eggs means that it wasn't a Maran or Ameraucana that laid him (unless they have really low quality Marans). They're mistaken, malicious or stupid if they think that chick's either Maran or Ameracauna because neither breed lays a light brown eggs anyway. What I'm concerned about here is the distinct possibility that the seller didn't own one or both of the parents.

The other possibility is that the seller doesn't realize he/she has a bird which is neither Maran or Ameraucana. None of the five-toed breeds can pass for either of the seller's proposed parent breeds . Polydactyly can arise in any breed and can show up as the result of multiple genetic combinations... typically, however, it's the result of a dominant gene, which means--vast majority of the time--that at least one parent had it. Aside from that, my thoughts are that this chick is a mix. He may have Marans in him, but he's definitely not 100%. I'm not sure how crested genes work, so I can't say for sure whether one or both of his parents should have had crests.

Did any of the hatched Marans chicks have feathered feet? 

Only 2 hatched. The other one had feathered legs and 5 toes and was yellow as can be not a stitch of any other colored fuzz.
Long story short a bunch of chicken lovers meet in an old barn in Ohio. One guy said to my uncle I have chicks that are gonna hatch but i've already hatched all the chicks that I want so I'm in a pinch them. My uncle said I would take them and voilà

 

[chick rookie]

@chick rookie

Often times - and usually - a "b" vitamin issue.... Riboflavin, thiamine often. There are quite a few articles, including the Merck Veterinary manual, that talk about these issues.

Natural remedy:
-raw high quality liver, chopped into tiny pieces and fed
-high quality brewers yeast (Lewis labs if you only need it for a few birds works well.)

Synthetic Remedy:
-Poly-vi-sol children's vitamin liquid drops NO ADDED IRON just the regular formula.




I posted this quite some time ago, but thought it might be useful to you to read through so going to repost here:

************************************************



When I first heard about various "B" vitamins having an effect on leg issues w/chickens was a few years ago in one of Joel Salatin's books. Here is some info that is very interesting on riboflavin in young chicks in particular. I think if you click on the images they will come up large enough to read.

Quote:
Pastured Poultry Profits
Author: Joel Salatin
Chapter 26 In It's Entirety
For Educational Purposes Only. No copyright infringement intended










Someone had remarked earlier how they wondered how the birds could be fine one day and not able to walk the next. In another part of JS book, he mentioned that was what happened. One day they were in that condition. After feeding the liver, they recovered quite quickly as well.


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I have some brewers yeast and poly vi sol both. will try the yeast first, thanks.
I must have missed this when you posted it before cause I always copy and past this kind of info into my computer note book for latter use.
But I have it now. My memory is really bad, I cant remember my age sometimes... I will have to ask my kids lol

 

[ellymayRans]

Wow didn't know that. what about winter time? do they stay out in the cold as well? Ok I'll stop with the questions now... lol

They do stay out during winter also. Snow and bad storms always sleeping on our roof top.

 

[pbirdhaven]

Does anyone know any good poultry shows in Indiana

The White River show in Spencer was today; Central Indiana show will be Oct. 17 in Lebanon, and Indiana Poultry Breeders in Connersville the first weekend in December.

If you want to cross over the line, the Central Illinois show is next Saturday in Bloomington, Il.

I took some birds to Spencer today; did okay but nothing spectacular. It was a nice show, though. Most of my best birds are either molting, broody, or too young. Still fun to get back into the game.

The Lebanon show is Indiana's biggest--chickens open show, waterfowl, and the junior show each filling a separate building. A large outside sales pavilion as well as several breeders who sell from their vehicles. Lots of high quality birds.

 

[Seroma Sentinel]

Thanks I had heard about the Lebanon one and I was planning on going to that one.

 

[chick rookie]

They do stay out during winter also. Snow and bad storms always sleeping on our roof top.

Wow... tough birds.

 

[chick rookie]

anyone know what breed these are?

 

[wheezy50]

anyone know what breed these are?

I would guess gold laced something for the top pic. Maybe Wyandotte? Looks like a boy to me. Not sure on the middle pic, looks like another boy. I'm guessing EE on the bottom pic