Inner membrane, outer membrane, blood vessel

Cindilong

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Feb 20, 2019
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Hi. I brought some eggs in that my hen abandoned. I don't have an incubator but they're in a small bathroom with a heat lamp and a space heater and wet paper towels and I go in and mist the air every so often. One hatched fine a couple days ago. This one pipped yesterday but didn't get through even the outer membrane, just cracked a piece of the shell. A half day later the outer membrane was looking pretty thick and white. At the time most of what I had read said thick and white means drying out. I've since read that it's actually not a big deal, but anyway, I had opened it for him and exposed his beak. Then about 8 more hours went by. Since he's not in an actual incubator I was really worried about shrink wrapping so I went ahead and chipped away some shell and tore some white membrane. I didn't tear any inner membrane. Where his beak was it was already torn. So my questions are, there's inner membrane across his face holding his head in place. There is also what looks to be a big blood vessel across his face. I'm posting two pictures, one just of how he looks and then one I've marked with colors so you can tell me if I know what's what. The blue dot area is the outer membrane that I had just wet, prior to wetting it it was white. The green dot area is inner membrane. I wet the bottom part but not the top part because it's so close to his nostril. How does this sound so far? Then the arrow is going to what looks like a huge blood vessel going right across his face. Do you guys agree that's what that is? I can tell he's obviously not ready to come out because of seeing blood veins at the lower part. This is one of those eggs that doesn't have a pointy end, so I don't know if he pipped in the wrong place and that's why there is a big blood vessel there. He's wrapped in a damp paper towel and is back under his heat lamp.
Thanks!
 

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He should already be out the shell, I think...... considering he's been like that for more than 8 hours. I would consider this an emergency and slowly tear away the membrane and shell out. Some folks say it takes half a day to a day to completely break out? I don't think I'd want to risk it if I can do something about it. When mine hatched, they only took like an hour or two when the shell is pipped or zipped or whatever that is noticeable.
 
Well there is blood at the bottom, he bled a tiny bit but I got out stopped with a paper towel and if that's actually a huge blood vessel going across his face, I really think that means he's not ready yet. I've read a bazillion articles about increasing the size of the pip and keeping the membrane wet and waiting for the blood vessels to shrink up. Everything I read says if you see blood, wrap them in a damp paper towel and wait.
 
Yeah, I've had several under-developed chicks pip, but they never make it out. If he's not moving, even after you exposed a little more of his body, I'd say he probably is deceased. That is so sad. Seeing a chick that was SO close to being a chick, but just didn't make it. It is hard to hatch chicks w/o an incubator! Good luck!
 
Hi! No, he's definitely alive. Moving, cheeping... Do you agree that thing I have the arrow pointed at is a blood vessel? That's what I'm really wondering.
 
Yeah, probably a vessel. Ok, now I can help you. I would keep him as he is, don't help him anymore. With that much shell peeled away, he should be able to get out in his own time. Maybe he's not ready & developed enough to hatch yet. However, if he's struggling and acting exhuasted I would help him. Confusing!
 
Thank you everybody! This little chicken made it. 2 days before I had saved one that had hatched outside with its mama but the mama had shoved him to the side and he was ice cold and I thought dead. Then I incubated one egg that hatched easily, then this one that we were talking about in this thread. Here's a picture from today of the first chick, the one that was freezing cold and I thought dead, and the one that came out of this egg. The one that came out of this egg is the tiny one on the right.
 

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