Integrating new ducks (more new than old)

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Hi! We happened upon 3 ducklings in the spring and decided we’d make a go for it- obviously hoping for either all hens or at least 2. As they have become of a mature age, we have officially determined we have 2 drakes and 1 hen and we needed to get more hens for her sake. We were able to find a flock of 8 needing a new home. This flock includes 2 drakes and 6 hens. So once we integrate, we will have 4 males and 7 females. Still not ideal but much better. That said, we currently have them meeting each other through a wire fence… but how and when do we integrate them during the day, especially given that there are only 3 OGs and there are 8 newcomers. We expect this may cause some extra weirdness with pecking order because the ones who feel most at home and on top are only 3 and we expect the 8 may really attempt to overrun the OG flock because of strength in numbers. Any tips for how to do this well? And an expected timeline we should follow?
 
With ducks anything can happen, and it may change every day.
I wish I could give better advice, I’ve had ducks longer than geese and though I know pretty much all there is to know about how a goose’s mind works ducks are still an enigma.

Your ducks may get along, they might start battling, they might form a financial firm and start trading stocks, they might form a super massive black hole and end the universe.
Just keep an eye on them, all I can say is that they can get weirder in spring.
 
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With ducks anything can happen, and it may change every day.
I wish I could give better advice, I’ve had ducks longer than geese and though I know pretty much all there is to know about how a goose’s mind works ducks are still an enigma.

Your ducks may get along, they might start battling, they might form a financial firm and start trading stocks, they might form a super massive black hole and end the universe.
Just keep an eye on them, all I can say is that they can get weirder in spring.
Haha! That’s acceptable, thank you! I just don’t even know if allowing females to meet each other first would be advisable or what the best way to go about it is in that sense. I’ve read to allow them to meet on neutral ground first but I am dreading the thought of having to herd them back into their run if I do that.
 
Hi.

So once we integrate, we will have 4 males and 7 females. Still not ideal but much better.

Not sure if it is "much better"...?

2 hens for 2 drakes can work... IF the drakes are bonded at least!

Even 7 hens for 3 drakes might work, even though you would need to monitor them VERY carefully during mating season (and probably separate them mid-season)...

...But only 7 hens for 4 drakes?
I really would NOT test it.


► Honestly, if you want to be sure to not end up finding hens dead because of overmating, I would strongly recommend that you re-home at least two drakes ASAP.
Or bring home 5 more females at the minimum, if possible?

Any tips for how to do this well? And an expected timeline we should follow?

Well... what breed are the ducks?
And how old are they, exactly?
 
Hi.



Not sure if it is "much better"...?

2 hens for 2 drakes can work... IF the drakes are bonded at least!

Even 7 hens for 3 drakes might work, even though you would need to monitor them VERY carefully during mating season (and probably separate them mid-season)...

...But only 7 hens for 4 drakes?
I really would NOT test it.


► Honestly, if you want to be sure to not end up finding hens dead because of overmating, I would strongly recommend that you re-home at least two drakes ASAP.
Or bring home 5 more females at the minimum, if possible?



Well... what breed are the ducks?
And how old are they, exactly?
I totally understand where you’re coming from, we were told it was only 1 drake when we agreed to adopt the whole group. So we thought we were going to have 3 drakes and 8 hens. We’re trying to figure out the best way to rectify but I was just saying it is better than having 2 males to 1 female.

That being said, our goal is to get more hens but I wasn’t sure if I needed to integrate these groups first or if we needed to get more hens and integrate all at once. Is mass chaos the better option or getting these integrated and then introducing new a bit later? Everything we have read from research before getting ducks at all was that 2-3 hens per drake was the ratio. At 7 hens and 4 drakes, we are just one hen shy of meeting the minimum of that. Is there a reason you say 5 more at the bare minimum? I was aiming for 5 since that would get us to 3 hens per drake.

I’ll break it up by group to make it easy:
1st group
2 Cayuga males 32 weeks
1 Cayuga female 32 weeks

2nd group (no idea of age other than the female Cayuga)
2 Cayuga males - young enough to be fully black and same size as our others
1 Cayuga female - old enough to have a good amount of white on her
1 Ancona female
2 Khaki Campbell females
1 Buff Orpington female
1 Silver Runner female
 
Hi.

I totally understand where you’re coming from, we were told it was only 1 drake when we agreed to adopt the whole group. So we thought we were going to have 3 drakes and 8 hens.

What the...?
Do you think they were mistaken, or just knowingly lying to you...?

(That's a shame : 8 hens for 3 drakes could have worked...)

That being said, our goal is to get more hens but I wasn’t sure if I needed to integrate these groups first or if we needed to get more hens and integrate all at once. Is mass chaos the better option or getting these integrated and then introducing new a bit later?

Do keep the two groups separated for 1 month - IDEALLY - before letting all of your ducks freerange and sleep together.

During the transition period, they need to be able to see each others, but not touch each others...

► If you have the mean to keep a third group apart from the others, you can buy more females as soon as you want.

If not, wait for both of your groups to be able to freerange and sleep together without fights (between the drakes) before buying new girls.

► If the new girls look and sound healthy, you could actually let them together with your ducks on Day 1 (if you don't have any other choice)... but I don't recommend it, since you never know if they carry a disease, or if your other ducks would eventually bully them...

Everything we have read from research before getting ducks at all was that 2-3 hens per drake was the ratio. At 7 hens and 4 drakes, we are just one hen shy of meeting the minimum of that.

2 hens per drakes can work for 2 bonded drakes... but it would be very difficult to keep 6 hens for 3 drakes, or 8 hens for 4 drakes...

Is there a reason you say 5 more at the bare minimum? I was aiming for 5 since that would get us to 3 hens per drake.

• 7 + 5 = 12

• 12/4 = 3

► And there, you have your 3 hens per drake!


Which, with 4 drakes, is still not sufficient in my opinion... especially since we don't know how they will behave during mating season.
 
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Hi.



What the...?
Do you think they were mistaken, or just knowingly lying to you...?

(That's a shame : 8 hens for 3 drakes could have worked...)



Do keep the two groups separated for 1 month - IDEALLY - before letting all of your ducks freerange and sleep together.

During the transition period, they need to be able to see each others, but not touch each others...

► If you have the mean to keep a third group apart from the others, you can buy more females as soon as you want.

If not, wait for both of your groups to be able to freerange and sleep together without fights (between the drakes) before buying new girls.

► If the new girls look and sound healthy, you could actually let them together with your ducks on Day 1 (if you don't have any other choice)... but I don't recommend it, since you never know if they carry a disease, or if your other ducks would eventually bully them...



2 hens per drakes can work for 2 bonded drakes... but it would be very difficult to keep 6 hens for 3 drakes, or 8 hens for 4 drakes...



• 7 + 5 = 12

• 12/4 = 3

► And there, you have your 3 hens per drake!


Which, with 4 drakes, is still not sufficient in my opinion... especially since we don't know how they will behave during mating season.
This is all very helpful info! Thank you! We may start with the females then once we have finished our quarantining period and decide at a later date on getting rid of the males or keeping them and getting more hens. As of right now, all are fine in their own separate spaces so we will aim for a month before trying to integrate.

I don’t think they knowingly lied. They had rescued them from a poorly situation and just been watching them with their other animals for the time being and saw my post looking for some. They admitted they didn’t know much about ducks so I assume they couldn’t sex them well. They just knew they were getting eggs so they had to have some females. I presume it is the khakis laying because the other breeds to my knowledge generally don’t lay in colder weather.

I also assume they weren’t on the best feed either because when we first got them, their eggs were smaller than our chickens’ eggs! Within a week of being on our duck food, their eggs were significantly larger. I think it was just all around lack of knowledge because they were chicken breeders who really didn’t want ducks to begin with.

This image is first egg to 4 or 5 days later after swapping to our food.
 

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Hi.

This is all very helpful info! Thank you!

You are welcome!

As of right now, all are fine in their own separate spaces so we will aim for a month before trying to integrate.

If your ducks - especially your drakes - don't get along when you eventually put them together : what you can do is letting them freerange during the days at first, but keeping them separated during the nights - at least UNTIL they get sufficiently along (so to be sure to not find a dead duck one morning).

► And since it is coming soon : during MATING SEASON, do ALWAYS keep a mean to separate very active drakes if ever you see them (over)mating too aggressively your girls, or worst : doing so to just ONE of the hens...

I don’t think they knowingly lied. They had rescued them from a poorly situation and just been watching them with their other animals for the time being and saw my post looking for some.

That's... actually VERY kind of them...!

Especially given the fact that ducks are not the easiest animals to raise when you don't know a thing about them...

...You know, since there are specific rules - like :
never let ducks have access to their food if they don't have water to drink too;
always use a waterer big enough for the ducks to be able to plunge their entire head - or, at the very leat, their nares;
don't feed them too much corn, so to keep them healthy;
don't use hay as a bedding for the ducks pretty please, so to reduce the risks of them (or you) dying from Aspergillosis...

Small things, but that people won't automatically think about IF raising ducks were not intended at first...

They admitted they didn’t know much about ducks so I assume they couldn’t sex them well. They just knew they were getting eggs so they had to have some females.

Huh... so, they had to be pretty stressed about it...?
(At least, they had nutritious eggs to eat!)

What I would assume is that you have to be their saviour here; ah, ah, ah!

I presume it is the khakis laying because the other breeds to my knowledge generally don’t lay in colder weather.

I don't know... could, in fact, be the Runner...?

My Khaki Campbell hen has stopped laying just some weeks ago...
...however, some of my young Indian Runners have already started laying - one of them having even laid her first egg around Christmas!

Besides : if Runner hens start laying during (or before) the Fall of their year of birth, they typically do keep laying through the following Winter.

I also assume they weren’t on the best feed either because when we first got them, their eggs were smaller than our chickens’ eggs! Within a week of being on our duck food, their eggs were significantly larger. I think it was just all around lack of knowledge because they were chicken breeders who really didn’t want ducks to begin with.

This image is first egg to 4 or 5 days later after swapping to our food.

No : I honestly think the reason why the eggs are bigger now than before is because the smaller eggs were the first ones that the hen laid.

Which is normal : similar to chickens, the first eggs that a duck lays are always smaller.
(They get bigger and bigger by the days - and in some case, they even actually take months to get to their optimal size.)
 
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With ducks anything can happen, and it may change every day.
I wish I could give better advice, I’ve had ducks longer than geese and though I know pretty much all there is to know about how a goose’s mind works ducks are still an enigma.

Your ducks may get along, they might start battling, they might form a financial firm and start trading stocks, they might form a super massive black hole and end the universe.
Just keep an eye on them, all I can say is that they can get weirder in spring.
This is true. You cannot guess with ducks.
@2x2farming
I am not saying this will work for you, but we currently have Swedish ducks - three females and three males.
They’ve been together almost three years.
So grew up together
.
Same duck hut.
No problems with over mating.
They free range every day.
No exceptions.
 

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