Integration advice, 8.5 and 4.5 week olds

Sex links are when you can tell the sex of a chick at hatch based on sex-linked genetics. A rooster gives one copy of all his genes to all his offspring. A hen gives one copy to all her sons but does not give a copy of all her genes to her daughters. The ones she does not give to her daughters are the sex linked genes. If these genes are reflected in the chicks when they hatch, you can sex the chicks if the parents are set up properly. The rooster need to be "pure" for those genes. That means that both genes at that critical gene pair are the same and are the recessive version. Some breeds are auto-sexing, that is different.

One example is red sex links. If the father is pure for the recessive gold gene and the mother has the dominant silver version of that gene pair, the male chicks will have yellow down and the females will have red. The other part of this is that you have to be able to see this difference. You cannot see this difference on a solid black chick, red or yellow down just doesn't happen. With certain chickens this difference may be only a small spot on the head. Not every gold male over a silver hen will produce a red sex like, sometimes you cannot see the difference in the down.

Another example is feather sexing. If the father has the recessive fast-feathering gene and the hen has the dominant slow-feathering gene the offspring will hatch where the wing feathers of the pullets are longer than the wing feathers of the males.

There are other ways. You can do this with certain leg colors. There are probably some I can't remember.

The one Aart is talking about uses the sex-linked barring gene. If a rooster with the recessive non-barring gene mates a hen that has the dominant barring gene, all males will be barred and no females will be barred. You can see this barring as a white spot on the male chicks head at hatch. The females will not have this spot. Thee are called black sex links since most of these chicks are black. The hens usually used to make black sex links are black barred like cuckoo marans, dominique, or barred rock. You can use a non-black barred hen like your creme legbar but she has to be mated with a rooster that will cause a down color where the spot can be seen. I don't know if you will be able to see the spot on a Black Copper Marans rooster over a Cream Legbar hen.
 
Go for it..here's some tips about....
Integration Basics:
It's all about territory and resources(space/food/water).
Existing birds will almost always attack new ones to defend their resources.
Understanding chicken behaviors is essential to integrating new birds into your flock.

Confine new birds within sight but physically segregated from older/existing birds for several weeks, so they can see and get used to each other but not physically interact.

In adjacent runs, spread scratch grains along the dividing mesh, best if mesh is just big enough for birds to stick their head thru, so they get used to eating together.

The more space, the better.
Birds will peck to establish dominance, the pecked bird needs space to get away. As long as there's no copious blood drawn and/or new bird is not trapped/pinned down and beaten unmercilessly, let them work it out. Every time you interfere or remove new birds, they'll have to start the pecking order thing all over again.

Multiple feed/water stations. Dominance issues are most often carried out over sustenance, more stations lessens the frequency of that issue.

Places for the new birds to hide 'out of line of sight'(but not a dead end trap) and/or up and away from any bully birds. Roosts, pallets or boards leaned up against walls or up on concrete blocks, old chairs tables, branches, logs, stumps out in the run can really help. Lots of diversion and places to 'hide' instead of bare wide open run.



If you put a non-barred male(your BCM) over a barred female(your CCL) the male chicks will have white head spots and the females will not.
I assumed you had a pure CCL pullet from this:

Cool. I bought eggs from a guy with CCL cockerel with CCL pullets and BCM pullets so my bird that will be an olive egger looks like a cuckoo Maran with a quiff. She's so lovleyl So for the auto sexing to work it needs to be the maran boy with the CCL pullet? . Oh well we'll have to wait and see what happens because we need to see who works out who's top don't we?
 
Technically it is not auto sexing, it is black sex links. That's two different things. Pure cream legbars are auto sexing. I've never had them so don't know enough details on how that works. You might find photos.

A Cream Legbar male over a BCM pullet will not produce a sex linked or auto sexing bird. But it will produce a barred hen. If you use a BCM rooster over that barred CCL/BCM hen you could get a sex-linked chick. Again i don't know if you can see that spot but with that mix it could certainly be possible.
 
Today the little ones have all been hanging at the side of their run looking longingly into the big run and unlike the last few days where the big ones have ignored them at rest time, today they have lay and rested right beside the little ones. I disturbed them for this photo. I’m thinking this is a good sign?

This little coop is meant to be for the babies to sleep in but they won’t go in it that I’ve seen.I just want to ask advice as treats don’t tempt them, they won’t take any yet. I’m going out tonight at 5pm. It’s a warm evening forecast. I won’t be. Back till about 8. Should I just leave them and see what happens or should I bring them back inside before I go. Or just wait and put them all to sleep together next week anyway if possible
 

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I’m thinking this is a good sign?
Good, yes, but could change once they are sharing space and feeder/waterer. Tiny door between runs would be good.

This little coop is meant to be for the babies to sleep in but they won’t go in it that I’ve seen.
Probably too dark...and is there any ventilation?
Put in a battery powered puck light at dusk to draw them in, then turn it off after dark.
Or just put them in there, they'll fuss but will get over it.
 
Good, yes, but could change once they are sharing space and feeder/waterer. Tiny door between runs would be good.


Probably too dark...and is there any ventilation?
Put in a battery powered puck light at dusk to draw them in, then turn it off after dark.
Or just put them in there, they'll fuss but will get over it.
Yes I know it’s will change but looking for signs of the right time To try. There is plenty ventilation. I’ll see what I can find. If they’re still hanging around. Thanks for that brilliant advice. I’ve found a battery operated light we use for camping and the coop looks very inviting. It’ll be after dusk when I get home so fingers crossed. I want to take full advantages of this amazing weather as next week the storms are back.
 
I got home at 7:40, had left a light on inn tge coop but they were standing in the corner, my big ones had already gone to bed. I was on my own and Asmara they won't be conned by any kind of treat as refuse them all I couldn't get them to go into the coop, they just ran back out. I brought them into the brooder box where they fought all evening about who was sleeping next to Who!

Today it's damp with fog so I've left the light on in the mini coop and I hope they will start exploring even if out of necessity but I'll keep an eye on them. It is to dry up later.

Trying to think through options. I can cut a little hole in the wire fence so they can pop into main run and back in to theirs. I'll try that tomorrow when my husband is also here, it's a week they will have been next to each other. Is a week enough or should I give it 2? If they still hang around at night after the daytime exploration has gone ok, we put them in the big coop (where I have no doubt they will shriek and yell because they do about everything) and just wait and see and get up to open early in the morning?

I should expect pecking and chasing and have been advised to have a water spray bottle to break up fights. If anyone gets too injured, remove them all for a few more days?

Does this sound reasonable expectations? If nothing else we need a wet weather shelter in our smaller run as there's is more bad weather coming, there's plenty in the big run and I'd love if they could all be hanging out there next week! But life doesn't always go to plan, does it?
 
Is the only access you have to that tiny coop from the door in front?
More pics of that please, showing inside and ventilation.

The small opening in the fence between runs should be adjustable in size and closable.
Yes, they need rain shelter in the small run, just leaning a good size board up against the fence would do, leave egress at both ends.
 

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