Interesting article in Science

[chickened]

Enough reasons here to keep any researcher guessing eh?





fear[ feer ]NOUN
fears plural

1. feeling of anxiety: an unpleasant feeling of anxiety or apprehension caused by the presence or anticipation of danger
"showed no signs of fear"
2. frightening thought: an idea, thought, or other entity that causes feelings of fear
"irrational fears"
3. reverence: respect or awe for somebody or something
"the fear of God"
4. worry: a concern about something that threatens to bring bad news or results ( often used in the plural )
"fears for their safe return"


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[punk-a-doodle]

Why did you just post a definition for fear? I'm not sure how that contributes to the discussion.

 

[chickened]

Sometimes in ones pursuit of greater knowledge we tend to trample the things that get in our way... in this case the classical meaning of fear, you choose which one that applies.
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[punk-a-doodle]

Please illustrate how I trampled it.

 

[chickened]

Reducing it to carrot top as an example of something we fear. And a few other times in previous posts. Also posted it because you keep having trouble figuring how fear relates to science and pursuit of knowledge. No research I know of is done for pleasure or titilation for the researcher but to put it as someone else said to better understand the world, we do not try to understand the pleasures of the world but are content to just enjoy them but we do try to understand the problems of the world and that usually is done for the reasons I mentioned earlier and for the reasons as defined in the definitions of fear.

Doing something out of fear for/of that particular item as in this case research is not always a bad thing. Respect is the beginning of knowledge.

 

[chickened]

Punkadoodle, sometime try putting yourself in a geographic area of isolation all by yourself like say deep in a wilderness area out west or some other place where the modern conveniences and communications are unavailable and not close by. Spend some time there, I have and you will find fears you never knew you had and you will I assure you attempt to do things that you otherwise would never consider. I have seen very smart well educated people freak out in such times and areas of which I describe, and do some weird things.

 

[punk-a-doodle]

Reducing it to carrot top as an example of something we fear.

That would be called 'humor'. It was not a definition of 'fear'. X)

No research I know of is done for pleasure or titilation for the researcher but to put it as someone else said to better understand the world, we do not try to understand the pleasures of the world but are content to just enjoy them but we do try to understand the problems of the world and that usually is done for the reasons I mentioned earlier and for the reasons as defined in the definitions of fear.

As stated, pleasure is among the things studied. Perhaps that too is feared? Tickling rats to study pleasure responses? Fear? Really?
Lepidopterology, the study of butterflies. Fear?
As mentioned just a page ago, rainbows are also studied in order to explain and categorize them in a way that suits science. Your assessment that pleasurable phenomenon are not studied...at all... is again, not something that I see any support for.

Doing something out of fear for/of that particular item as in this case research is not always a bad thing.

Fear is great stuff. It keeps *most* people from, say, climbing into the tiger exhibit at the zoo or jumping off a building. But, it is not the only emotion/reaction/mechanism known to us, and to state that all research is derived from fear is a...bold statement at best.

Punkadoodle, sometime try putting yourself in a geographic area of isolation all by yourself like say deep in a wilderness area out west or some other place where the modern conveniences and communications are unavailable and not close by. Spend some time there, I have and you will find fears you never knew you had and you will I assure you attempt to do things that you otherwise would never consider. I have seen very smart well educated people freak out in such times and areas of which I describe, and do some weird things.

Mm, I have. Fear of ants...still did not develop. Fear of getting mauled by a bear...much sharper. Not sure how that relates to the subject at hand though.
Just so we're on the same page, I was addressing your statements:

We look to science to find a way to better our life out of a sense of fear

The quest for knowledge by mankind is to better themselves and society from the ilks of the world we live in like disease, sustenance, shelter etc.

What purpose to study this would you give? the simple fact that you really are doing this for just fun? I think not I think the real reason is to control them when they threaten you or you fear them to some degree. People study sharks so they can better understand them but the real reason is so they can enter the water with them with some assurance that they will be better equipped to defend themselves from them or not kill them in self defense, again it stems from fear of them, the honest person says I will stay out of the water thankyou very much.

That is, I'm addressing your statement that research is only fear based. Not the idea that fear exists, or even that it is *one* motivating factor in some avenues of research...​

 

[chickened]

I think you are setting up straw men arguments here, the OP was directed at the correlation between animal behavior and its relation to human behavior which seems to have gone down a rabbit trail. It may be true that you percieve researching stuff as fun or some other form of pleasure and researching nonsense things such as butterflies as critical and I feel you are not alone. Serious researchers though do research related to health and not dying prematurely, other technology based research is generally directed at making life easier, getting out from under the curse as it would seem.

Bears are the least of your fears in the areas I described, your own mind would give you more trouble as if you took away all your modern gadgets and realized you were on your own, no rescue, no cell phone etc. I don't think you truly have been in the scenario I described and alone in that environment.

Again I think looking at the definition of fear is the primary reason research is done.

Is not the fear of death a very good motivator? it is in every other aspect of life and you seem to think it is not when it comes to science or research, you cannot be that objective, you can project it but in reality when you come face to face with that fear all the science in the world will not save you, you will flee if you can.

 

[MamaRoo]

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Just give me some links. Credible links.


I went to the library to look for answers. I've never been willing to assume that the media, or some random person on the street is telling me the truth. I've always gone to look for it myself. Sadly, if more people were willing to take the time to verify things they here, there would be a lot less dissension in the world.

It's easy to make a false or misleading statement, and then use belligerence to try to bully people in to believing it. It's less easy to take the time to provide the truth.

 

[MamaRoo]

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You haven't provided information, all you've provided are inflammatory opinions. When I asked you to provide some proof for them, you refused.