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Interesting article on Barley/High protein Wheat as feed source

I've seen a lot of comments regarding the worry of not getting the "right" combination of vitamins & minerals, in fact I used to be one of those people. But to put it in perspective, as a human being in charge of creating my own feed rations, I do pretty well to get a balance of food stuffs, pay some attention to my protein & fat intake and take a multi-vitamin for wherever I may be lacking. I do not buy complete rations, nor would I be happy eating them all the time.

Our laying chickens are not A LOT different, they need around 4000 calories a day nearly half of which goes into egg laying... a little more in the winter months a little less in the heat of the summer. Now of those 4000 calories they need a good balance of protein & fat (good & bad), vitamins, minerals, carbohydrates & fiber for the most part. When moulting more protein less fat, when breeding more vitamins/miners & ANIMAL proteins, when laying a good balance, when showing feed like breeding but adding healthy oils as well (makes for lovely shiny feathers).

This is part of the reason to offer a variety of foods, based on your know how and based on what the purpose of the chicken is as well as how they are currently doing. It' doesn't HAVE to be as scientific as I thought actually. Of course formulated rations come about after lots of testing, but usually meet the needs of only one group of subjects, and also assume that same group of subjects does not have access to any other feeds, thereby formulating a feed that contains everything in "perfect" balance. If my chickens eat from the yard, I have disturbed the balance, if I throw in scraps from the kitchen, I have disturbed the balance. Not to mention as previously stated, the commercial bagged feed does NOT know if my chickens need more protein today or more greens today therefore in my mind, by allowing my chickens to CHOOSE, for which many studies believe they are capable of doing in proper proportions, then I know they are getting what THEY, the individual chicken in question, is needing or desiring.

THAT makes me feel better, even though there is nothing scientific about making me feel better.


about sprouts

Sprouting is a great way to add green protein, enzymes & amino acids to your chickens diets... the crude protein content increases every day the sprout is alive and after a week or two is at its maximum potential. And LOW calorie too!
Sprouts ARE NOT a valuable supply of vitamins & minerals, as they need time in the sun to produce those things.
 
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Corn.......Wheat.......BOSS.......Salt.......Vit.......Flax.......Groats.......DE.......Fish Meal.......Alfalfa
0.05........0.5............0.075.......0...........0.002...0.25......0.075........0..........0.05...............0 Ingredients 1.002 lbs Total Weight
0.35.........5...............1.2..........0.............0.......5.5........0.975 ........0..........3....................0 Protein/Portion 16.025% Protein
$0.01.......$0.10.......$0.08.......$0.00.....$0.01..$0.13...$0.02.......$0.00......$0.04.......$0.00 Price/Portion $0.37 cost per Total Weight

Or 50lbs for $18.50 ... which is $4-$5 MORE per 50lbs than the bagged feed I was buying.

However, part of this experiment will also tell if they DO IN FACT consume less overall feed while maintaining their condition as well as egg laying. IF that is in fact a truth, it could stand to reason that mixing your own portions could cost less money.

Now I know I am over on my calculations by .002 but it's hard to figure this out in such small quantities.. a fraction of a pound...
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I also left out grit & oyster shell as I suspect most people buy these on the side.. but if you didn't already, then it would stand to figure you need to work the oyster shell in to tweak the price.

I should also say that I bought Flock Raiser NOT for it's 20% protein levels, but because it did NOT contain elevated levels of calcium, which my chickens get through our well water in addition to their food. I had a mixed flock of turkeys & chickens, LOTS of roosters and this was the best overall choice for me AT THAT TIME. I have NO problem with a 16% feed as I have learned that anywhere in the 14-17% range is suitable for laying chickens.
 
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Because I'm such a nut researcher, this is killing me.

This is my local poultry butcher, whom by the way, if anyone is local, sells a fabulous Turkey, if of course, they aren't raising their own, lol.

http://www.pepspoultry.com/BARF.html

I didn't realize they even had a website. I buy a lot of chicken necks/backs from them for dog food/snacks. Their prices on ground organs and such are pretty good, imo. I don't have the equipment to grind a whole chicken. I have sausage grinder/stuffers, but I doubt that will do bone, and I don't want to break them. I wonder if they know the protein content of a bag of that stuff, I'll have to call. I have a ton of freezer space. I have no problem giving them fresh ground daily with their food.
 
Dawnsuiter--thanks for all the info! I too am switching my flock over to a whole grain feed as opposed to a crumble. One of my main reasons for switching over is that I noticed how much they enjoy scratching around through the mulch to find food, it is like a constant treasure hunt for them! Right now I am using a pre-mixed whole grain food that I purchased from a local lady (Seattle area--her website is scratchandpeck.com if anyone is interested). It has the grains and meal portions mixed together, so I have to sift out the meal to feed them grains. I mix the meal portion with a flock raiser feed and offer that free choice. They also get oyster shell and grit free choice.

I am curious about putting the meal (alfalfa meal and fish meal, with supplements) out separately to see if they would eat it as needed. I also give them lots of greens--kitchen leftovers, grass clippings, weeds, cabbage head, etc...They seem to be pretty happy and healthy, though I am not getting any eggs right now. Hopefully as soon as they wind up their molts, eggs will come back. Then I can make sure they are not getting a "fishy" taste. Eventually I would like to mix up my own ration, but it is hard to come by the needed materials in such small amounts (six hens).

I should add that price was not a concern to me. I obviously like spoiling my chickens, and the price of each egg has already gotten so ridiculous that I try not to think about it.
 
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I just wanted to let you know that I also feed fish meal, and the eggs do NOT have a fishy taste at all. They are however, alot more rich in color and taste, compaired to store bought. They are great!!!
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This may seem like a dumb question, but math isn't my strong suit. Could you tell me how you determine the protein percentage of your home-mixed grains?


Thanks,
Rachel
 
The super simple way is using "parts"
Take your corn for instance and say it is 8% protein
You add 4 "parts" corn... for a running total of 32% protein
You add 2 "parts" wheat @ 10% protein.. for a running total of 52% protein

Then you divide your total protein of 52% BY 6 "parts" which brings you to 8.6% protein per PART or portion. So that mix would be considered a minimum of 8.6% protein

Your "part" can be any size from a 5 gallon bucket to an 8 oz glass.. the part size itself does not matter until you compare it along side of another "part"
 

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