interesting breed confusion....bantam cochin

[iluvmychicks]

Pekins do not look like Cochins.

Really? I think Pekins and Cochins have many similarities. The tilt you speak of is actually in our US standard, it calls for the cochin apperance to be "forward and low" you just don't see many of them in the US with the forward tilt. The only other minor differences I see is the breast is carried much lower in many cases(which we call a creeper) they also breed the males to have a much bigger comb. Besides that I think they look very much alike. JMHO

Shari​

 

[blackdotte]

Here are some photos of Australian Pekins, they look very little like our Cochins
http://www.pekinbantams.com/nswpekinshow2005.php
David

 

[flyingmonkeypoop]

If you look at our LF and bantam cochins there are big differences. The bantams are more heart shaped and rounded. The largefowl are not heart shaped and it would take tons and tons of breeding to get some that even begin to look like the bantams. When it comes down to it the only similarities are the comb, feathered feet, and loose feathering. Its almost like comparing a red wyandotte to a rose combed RIR. Its like comparing a modern game to an old english game.

 

[iluvmychicks]

Granted their are diffences however taking into consideration the considerable size difference between the LF and bantam cochin it's close. I wouldn't go as far as saying it's like comparing a modern game to an old english game, their is no comparison. Keep in mind---Miniature fowl one fifth to one forth of the weight of the large fowl represented. In order to basically shrink a LF cochin to that size their is going to be some obvious differences.

Shari

 

[flyingmonkeypoop]

LOL, well I couldnt think of another good comparrison. In all other breeds the bantams look like the largefowl, my bantam wyandottes looked just like my LF wyandottes but more bulgy eyed. The bantam and large sumatras look alike, all the other breeds it seems look the same whether it be large or bantam except the cochins. It could be that if more people spent more time on the large cochins they could eventually look like the bantams but I dont really see that happening.

Ok, I am off my soap box now, haha.

 

[roostercruiser]

The LF don't look like the bantams because there's not as many people breeding them to show. Go to a show and there's more bantams in any variety than the total # of LF all together. Look at the pictures on the cochin website under breed characteristics. The large and bantam do look alike.

 

[ve]

It is known that the now called bantam cochins came a long time ago from China, called Peking Bantams. The Large fowl cochins also came from china with the name Cochin China. There is no record of showing birds in China at this time and (so) we can not beleive that the Chinese created the bantam to be counterpart to the large fowl. Then, Because of the similarities in both breeds, in Europe and in America people decided that it was not necessary to create miniture version of the Large Cochin (because Pekings look very similar). All that to say: originally, these were probably, if no definately, seperate breeds (by area / region).

 

[High Roost Ranch]

I really don't see that much of a difference between the Aussie birds and the USA birds, with the exception of the buff colored female in the Aussie pic. Good grief, where is that birds back??? I'm certainly no expert on Cochins or Pekins, but I have owned them in the past and from what I've seen shown at the bigger shows, it's kind of like splitting hairs a bit, isn't it? Or like calling a Japanese a Chabo?

Very few large fowl can reflect their bantam counterparts. I personally thing they'd break down if they were bred that way. I'm comparing my LF brahmas with my bantam brahmas. The bantams carry much more body mass than the LF and the LF are pretty darn bulky in their own right.