another thing i tried different this year with the meat birds when they got bigger was using large rubber bowls for water vs. the traditional metal water cans. it was easier for me to check in to see the water level and fill with jugs than to try to get the lid off, empty the debris and refill. the chicks took a while to get used to it, but they did. i'll probably use them in the fenced area when we let them out to forage this weekend. i've ordered those avian aqua miser nipples to create some of the larger bucket waterers to use inside the coops.