Is it illegal to sale chickens without being NPIP certified?

[Kiki]

I've been reading up on some threads on here about being NPIP certified. For what I've seen, it's a bunch of BS (pardon my language.) But is it illegal to sale chickens locally (I have no intention of shipping) in Georgia without being NPIP certified?

Thanks in advance.

No it is not illegal to sell chickens if you are not NPIP in most states.

NPIP does not mean what the majority of the people seem to think it does.

It does not mean disease free.

 

[MildlyOffensiveChicken]

ive sold 9 point of lay chickens this year. I didn’t have a license and have not notified anyone I’m selling a few chickens. If it’s a real business and you are representing it as such, I would expect adherence to the normal practices.


Federal rules changes this year may cause you tax grief. Some of the online payment tools will now send you a 1099 if over $600 total transactions in a year - it is more detailed but it’s more likely that IRS will classify stuff as a business or taxable than in the past.

I am an advocate of being a scoff law when the laws or regulatory structure is dumb, unethical or immoral. Testing does have a place, but not for individual sales or small scale localized operations.

 

[MildlyOffensiveChicken]

No it is not illegal to sell chickens if you are not NPIP in most states.

NPIP does not mean what the majority of the people seem to think it does.

It does not mean disease free.

I know I’d love a short paragraph explanation of NPIP, if you are willing to expand.

 

[U_Stormcrow]

I know I’d love a short paragraph explanation of NPIP, if you are willing to expand.

HERE

Longer Paragraph

 

[U_Stormcrow]

and to expand further, a lot of people believe NPIP = Disease Free. That's patently not the case. At best, NPIP means the Breeder/Seller cared enough to go thru the State program, submit themselves to inspection, and pay any relevant fees, and further, that AT THE TIME OF INSPECTION the flock was free of whatever diseases the State does choose to look for.

In FL, once a year, a portion of (or all, if the flock is small enough) the adult breeders in a flock get tested for P-T, AI, and END. The AI check is done every six months. Different States look for different things, but P-T and AI are the most commonly tested for.

So if you bought from me, you would know that a representative sample of my birds were free of AI not more than six months ago, and free of P-T and END not more than 12 months ago.

I hope the example and additional detail helps

 

[Kiki]

I know I’d love a short paragraph explanation of NPIP, if you are willing to expand.

Yes.
In most states in NPIP means that your flock was tested for one thing... pullorum typhoid.


It means you pay to have this test done. Big deal.
I don't even know when the last time this particular disease even existed.


In a few more states they actually test for another disease that is highly deadly and if you had it in your flopped your birds would most likely already be dead.


. So basically it means you've paid some money to have a couple of tests done for something That would have already killed your birds had you had it in your flock.

 

[Kiki]

If and when they ever get around to testing for the common nasty chicken diseases in order to become a member of NPIP...
I'd be first in line to not only sign up but promote it.

 

[Sally PB]

http://www.poultryimprovement.org/cleanStates.cfm

It looks like Idaho, Wyoming, New Mexico, and Nevada are the only 4 states that might have P-T according to this website page. The rest have been "clean" for over a decade to several decades.

It seems like the main reason people get their NPIP certification is to be able to ship birds/hatching eggs across state lines, from everything I read on BYC. Or are there other reasons?

I'm not looking to become certified; just curious if there are other benefits?

 

[aart]

I'm not looking to become certified; just curious if there are other benefits?

It 'fools' people into thinking the dealers birds are 'safe'.
ETA, some will do this willfully and purposely.

 

[U_Stormcrow]

http://www.poultryimprovement.org/cleanStates.cfm

It looks like Idaho, Wyoming, New Mexico, and Nevada are the only 4 states that might have P-T according to this website page. The rest have been "clean" for over a decade to several decades.

It seems like the main reason people get their NPIP certification is to be able to ship birds/hatching eggs across state lines, from everything I read on BYC. Or are there other reasons?

I'm not looking to become certified; just curious if there are other benefits?

Sales/Shipping across State lines is the reason. Or to seperate oneself from the Craigslist competition who aren't certified.

and to @aart 's point - I'm not responsible for the ignorance of Joe and Jill American Consumer. The fact is, half the population is, definitionally, more stupid than average. Its also a fact that the world is so complicated that ingorance on a whole host of topics is a necessity. Its therefore not surprising that most consumers, thru stupidity and/or [rational] ignorance haven't a clue what NPIP means *AND* choose not to research it for themselves. No amount of my posting on BYC will fix that.

Its a fact that I'm NPIP certified. I live within a score of miles of a state line, and a brief drive from two others. Crossing those State lines with birds requires they originate from an NPIP flock - that's the law. But I try to be honest about what NPIP means when asked.

I don't believe that I am behaving deceptively when my actions are taken as a whole.