Is my handsome cockeral a splash? If not ?

[BigDaddy'sGurl]

Thank you so very much rareroo! This genetics stuff is extremely new to me...I am very interested in it but am honestly mentally lazy and would rather do physical labor than mental, lol.

I am so relieved you were able to explain all that in a way I understand! So after reading your post to my husband, he came up with an interesting question: If you look in the background of the pic I posted of the dad, you will see a barred pullet. I know the pic isn't terribly clear, but she is very pretty and barred on neck to tail. If we were to cross Viggo (my cockeral you labelled last post and the source of the confusion on my part), with this pullet when he matures, being that he has ....what?... a quarter of the crele color pattern gene and she has at least half, would therefore the odds of having barred chicks be...? Wait, I'm confusing myself. I guess the question is, how many generations of breeding, and how, would I get the two parts crele, or is it possible with the grouping I have? I appreciate your patience...

Thanks so much for your time! I truly love learning about this stuff....I used to breed rats and keep records about the genetics, and now I want to learn as much as I can about chickens because lets' face it: they are funner. : )

 

[RAREROO]

BigDaddy'sGurl :

Thank you so very much rareroo! This genetics stuff is extremely new to me...I am very interested in it but am honestly mentally lazy and would rather do physical labor than mental, lol.

I am so relieved you were able to explain all that in a way I understand! So after reading your post to my husband, he came up with an interesting question: If you look in the background of the pic I posted of the dad, you will see a barred pullet. I know the pic isn't terribly clear, but she is very pretty and barred on neck to tail. If we were to cross Viggo (my cockeral you labelled last post and the source of the confusion on my part), with this pullet when he matures, being that he has ....what?... a quarter of the crele color pattern gene and she has at least half, would therefore the odds of having barred chicks be...? Wait, I'm confusing myself. I guess the question is, how many generations of breeding, and how, would I get the two parts crele, or is it possible with the grouping I have? I appreciate your patience...

Thanks so much for your time! I truly love learning about this stuff....I used to breed rats and keep records about the genetics, and now I want to learn as much as I can about chickens because lets' face it: they are funner. : )

I cant tell a whole lot from the pic but the hen in the back looks like she may already be a pure crele. First lets get set straight on the the genes thing, you were talking about one having a quarter of the crele pattern gene and the other having half, I know what you mean but all genes have two copies, a bird can have one copy or two depending on how the gene works. In the case of Crele, Creles are BBReds will barring, and the barring gene is Sexlinked Dominant. Hens can only have one barring gene or no barring gene of course, roos can have one or two barring genes ( or none if theyre not barred) When a bird has one copy of a gene it is Heterozygous (Het) for that gene and if they have two then they are Homozygous(Homo.) for the gene. A Het barred roo will have one copy like hens and will be the same darkness as hens and a Homo barred roo will be diluted further and will be lighter than the hens and Het barred roos.

Like I said barring is Sexlinked Dominant. The Sexlinked part is becuase breeding a non barred male on barred hens, the hens can only give her one barring gene to their sons and since the father isnt barred, the females dont get a barring gene from him so you get barred roos and non barred hens that can be sexed at hatch.

The Dominant part attributes to barring being able to be expressed with only one copy where as a Recessive gene has to have two copies to show it. Dominant White is also obviously a dominant gene but it is just Dominant, not sexlinked.

So heres how barring works in formula

Homo barred roo X Barred hens (remember barred hens are always Het) = All Homo Barred roos and barred hens

Het barred roo X Barred hens = Half Homo Barred Roos, Half Het barred Roos and Half Barred hens and Half Non Barred hens (this would be your case)

Homo barred roo X Non Barred hens = All Het Barred roos and Barred hens

Het barred roo X Non Barred hens = Half Het Barred and Half Non Barred of both sexes

Non Barred roo X Barred hens = Het barred roos and Non Barred hens

So if your hen is the right crele pattern ( I would need a better pic to be sure) and you bred her with your het barred roo, you would get Half Homo Barred and lighter color Crele roos, Half Het barred Crele roos ( like the one you have) and Half Crele and Half BBRed Hens.

If you breed one of the lighter homo roos on Crele hens, you would get all Creles and it would breed true at this point if you kept breeding from these.

We may be able to swap notes lol becuase I keep a small breeding group of feeder mice for my snakes and I like to play around with the colors. Last year was the first time I messed with them and was only able to grow off one brood and I breed a tan male with the white albino lab type mice ( albinism is recessive btw if you havent already found that out) she had 8 babies and one was tan, 3 chocolate or closer to wild colored ones, and 4 greys. So I just know how Albinism works in them but I dont know about all the other color genes with them and I'm down to one of the original white females and one the tan (het for albino) female that was born and I need to get a new male and start breeding them again since it is warming up and my snakes should start feeding again anytime.​