Is Pg causing these white tip tail feathers?

[Wappoke]

Hi Teila, I just typed up a response for you and lost it before it posted

.... I think Nicalandia's post up above may be your answer - there's also a pic of a bird that seems to fit your little Dusty....Nic suggests a recessive mottling gene. Do you know if Dusty has mottled parents or any siblings with mottling?

Dusty is a pretty girl!

Normally a mottled bird will add more white as the bird ages- this bird does not fit the typical mode of expression. This does not mean the bird is not mottled- test breeding would be need to be carried out to obtain a solid answer.

 

[Teila]

Thank you for the replies!

Unfortunately I do not know Dusty’s breeding as she was an impulse purchase at a feed store where she was in a cage by herself because she was being bullied by her siblings.

Having a small flock of pet bantams in a no rooster zone, test breeding is not really an option.

As I mentioned, it was purely curiosity on my part .. thanks again, may be I can just call it mottling as opposed to white bits!

 

[n8ivetxn]

Normally a mottled bird will add more white as the bird ages- this bird does not fit the typical mode of expression. This does not mean the bird is not mottled- test breeding would be need to be carried out to obtain a solid answer.

Oh! I knew that! - I just totally forgot... thank you.....

may be I can just call it mottling as opposed to white bits!

LOL,

 

[Wappoke]

Thank you for the replies!

Unfortunately I do not know Dusty’s breeding as she was an impulse purchase at a feed store where she was in a cage by herself because she was being bullied by her siblings.

Having a small flock of pet bantams in a no rooster zone, test breeding is not really an option.

As I mentioned, it was purely curiosity on my part .. thanks again, may be I can just call it mottling as opposed to white bits!

This completely slipped my mind. If she has white shanks she carries mottling- dark shanks no mottling.

 

[Teila]

This completely slipped my mind. If she has white shanks she carries mottling- dark shanks no mottling.

Ah, OK, thank you!

Sorry, having 5 pet bantams, I am not knowledgeable regarding genetics and colouring etc. Dusty does not like posing for the camera and these are probably the best shots I have of her shanks [obviously moulting

] .. while they look more grey to me, they would be classed as white, not dark?

 

[nicalandia]

This male has quite a bit of white in his, Not unusual to have white in coverts and rectrices of the tail. The amount and pattern of white in the tail can vary from bird to bird.

Other Genes or factors could be at play there and to blame columbian for it would be too difficult to prove without an extensive research.

 

[nicalandia]

Dark shanks no mottling.

While mottling and light colored shanks are almost synonym some breeds standards of perfection calls for dark shanks while mottling is expressed, the Mottled Ameraucana and Mottled Old English Game come to my mind.





So breeding can help on this regards.

 

[Wappoke]

While mottling and light colored shanks are almost synonym some breeds standards of perfection calls for dark shanks while mottling is expressed, the Mottled Ameraucana and Mottled Old English Game come to my mind.





So breeding can help on this regards.

I can see from your posts that you are going to take my posts out of context and dog me on everything I post. I post here because I want to help people. I do not understand your narcissistic behavior.

In my first post on this string I did not question your answer nor did I quote you I answered the question that n8ivetxn posted.

You then quoted me in an attempt to discredit my answer by indicating you have crawford and nothing is said about silver tips in the book. Matter of fact, n8ivetxn did not post about a white tip she actually posted that there was a faint white edge.

You proceed forward and mention rhode island red and dark brown restricted birds. I never mentioned anything about gold columbian restricted birds or dark brown restricted birds. I was commenting on a silver columbian restricted bird and no other restriction gold/columbian or dark brown restricted. Why even mention the other information. If you try to make an argument at least stick with the subject (a faint white edge). And never add additional information that has nothing to do with the subject at hand.

I then quoted you and posted pictures of columbian restricted birds ( I could have posted hundreds but did not see the need to do so.) I did this inorder to show that silver columbian restricted birds do have white in their rectrices and coverts.

You then attempt to discredit the evidence I presented in the photos by saying I must be wrong because it would be difficult to prove. In science, you do not prove anything- the data you collect supports your hypothesis or it fails to support your hypothesis.

I also posted the following about a bird that may or may not carry mottling. I posted the following to give Teila additional information to help her/him determine if her/his langshan carried mottling.
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This completely slipped my mind. If she has white shanks she carries mottling- dark shanks no mottling.


Your response to my post was to post part of my post. You quoted dark shanks no mottling, I never posted that every bird that has mottling will have white shanks. My statement was about the bird pictured. In her case, langshans should have blueish black shanks. If the bird has white shanks then the bird carries mottling. That was my point.

Why do you see the need to miss quote me and then make a point that contradicts what I just stated. There is more than enough research to support my position concerning the inhibition of black pigment in the shanks of chickens by the mottling gene.

It is evident you do not have the ability to take in the complete conversation in a string or understand the nuances of the information in the string. I refuse to include every possibility or every impossibility in my posts. I will not write a white paper on a subject in order to cover every bit of known information
about a gene or gene interactions.

Have fun- I will not put up with your narcissistic behavior. I can find better ways to spend my time.
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[n8ivetxn]

Columbian restricted male note the white in the tail feathers. Not unusual for columbian restricted birds to have white in coverts and rectrices.


This male has quite a bit of white in his, Not unusual to have white in coverts and rectrices of the tail. The amount and pattern of white in the tail can vary from bird to bird.

My computer is giving me fits, I couldn't see this post until today..... Thank you... everytime I look at my roo, I notice something new.... a couple of days ago, I noticed very fine black lines in the end tips of his hackle. I think you may be right in your analysis...

Well, I have an opportunity to purchase 2 red pyle Araucana pullets as soon as weather permits (as close to white as I can get right now)....I may put them with him for a short bit and see what hatches. That tail bothers me a little. I was comparing his tail to the other 2 roos I got from this breeder. His is different, it doesn't curve down like theirs....so I may end up with some tailed chicks.

 

[nicalandia]

I will not put up with your narcissistic behavior.
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I believe I am helping people by providing them with accurate information, you said Columbian(Co) was responsible for the effect of the bird´s tail, I pointed out that no research done on known restrictors proves that and that to assert such claim would need to be further researched and studied, the same way you pointed out in a thread that the Faverolle breed does not carry Mahogany because of the known effect mahogany has on the breast of the males, and I agree with you on that account, because research done by scientist have proven that to be true,


In any case we can agree to disagree but name calling is such an awful way to disagree with someone, please refrain from doing so.