Is there a White Barred Rock or is it just a White Rock?

[walkswithdog]

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From this site:

"A white chicken can be achieved in a number of ways by inhibiting black and red pigmentation with combinations of genes (dominant white, recessive white, silver, Columbian, Cuckoo barring)."

I think the original question meant which of these genetic types is a white rock.

OOOOOHHH...yeah...see, never would have thought of that.

That's why I didn't say which white I thought it was. Could be any of the above depending on the lines. If Columbian is behind then you can figure on silver. If gold behind you could find partridge. What hides behind what kind of white is the same question as what's hiding behind black.

You only find out from breeding the birds. And the results can be colorful.

When I go to blend the Dels into my line I'm going to throw this HUGE color monkey wrench into the works and the results will tend toward the spectacular and probably ugly in some cases. Like lobbing a chaos grenade.

Boom! Rainbow Rocks.

The breed is Plymouth Rock, the colors vary. The clubsite is at CROHIO.COM They have a copy of the 1915 standard there and a good group of people on the forum.

Good luck playing with color.

 

[Krys109uk]

Well....someone said a RIWhite was a silver. I'm still thinking about quite how they do that.....I've never seen one ....do they have black tails?
Hearing about the white Plymouth Rock I was curious about which white they are supposed to be. I could see where a white Rock could be conveniently made on a barred using dominant white.

 

[Sonoran Silkies]

OOOOOHHH...yeah...see, never would have thought of that.

I did--but only after I looked to see who had asked the question

 

[walkswithdog]

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While I thought that as well, I dare say nothing since I'm so new and often wrong, even if Rocks are my thing. Dom. white on barred just makes sense and would be the most readily available solution.

 

[Kev]

Yep and also has the bonus of making clean yellow legs.. if a yellow legged white bird is called for. Just hatched chicks from my yellow legged white bantam naked neck roo.. was really hoping he would be eb base for making colored turkens with yellow legs but alas, his chicks with a colored hen are coming out all barred. Sigh.

One more thing maybe not realized here- sometimes a color variety in a breed was created out of using birds NOT of the same breed. Just bred to create the specific color plus the overall type. Read a long time ago White Rocks are one of those- Barred Rocks were not part of the founding line for White ones.

 

[Year of the Rooster]

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Rhode Island Whites are all white. No black.

 

[walkswithdog]

And they bent over backwards to make Partridge ones too

Though the mix actually used for which "startup" for partridge in rocks is some debated.

White definitely came before partridge. Barred before partridge. After that I'd actually have to look up time lines. LOL. Columbian has gone into and out of fad, repeatedly. But I'd bet you a donut there aren't a fistful of heritage Columbian LF running around anywhere.

 

[Krys109uk]

And they bent over backwards to make Partridge ones too Though the mix actually used for which "startup" for partridge in rocks is some debated.

LOL.....
What are the debated methods for the start of the Partridge Rock?

There used to be some very pretty silver penciled Rocks in UK ....do they have them in US? Shame the columbians are so rare.... do you have any?​

 

[walkswithdog]

I don't have either columbians or silver pencilled, but of course I WANT both.

I have a source located for the silver pencilled... Not the columbian yet.

But I have to get through the next 18 months of color chaos and development to get to playing with other legitimate colors.

Adding in Delawares for size, for this group is going to blow up a rainbow, some fairly ugly probably, of wild color things. Throwing the silver and barred co on top of partridge will wreak havoc for a bit. Not that I'd mind some incomplete barred weirdos running around for a bit.

Size, Some sorting for comb/tail - I won't keep those that come up hugely DQ or sprigs or layed over combs. Then color/tail set. Then forage and lay. And just keep going.

I'm exhausted but I'll reread my partridge rock articles and actually get the two main groups of PR development right. Last night was the first night since my birthday in Dec 08 that I was only interupted once at night and got to sleep til dawn. Almost seven hours YAY. I may return to humanity some time this year.

I love color. Since this year I added in BBS Rocks the mix is going to be tons of fun.

 

[tadkerson]

White rock should be brown(eb) at the E locus, recessive white, sex linked silver and columbian restricted. Some carry dominant white and barring. Others can carry sex linked gold.

White birds can be tricky because of the hypostatic (hidden) genes. I had some leghorns that carried mottling and sex linked barring. I have had broilers that carried blue. It would not suprise me if leghorns also carried blue, I just did not get blue to segregate from the birds I was working with.
Some white wyandottes carry genes like sex linked barring and the pattern gene. It would bet some white wyandottes also carry dominant white and the blue gene.

Tim