Isn't It Too Early For Eggs?

[TarheelBirdy]

So Pullorum disease can't be brought into your flock via hatching eggs that are not NPIP certified?

No I have not had any testing done on my flocks... I started looking into the NPIP process 2 yrs ago, received a packet of about 250 pages of info and forms/applications but decided against it until I reduce my flock sizes.

CA has very strict poultry health laws and regulations. And NPIP participation here is definitely not voluntary, once your flock is certified. In CA you either comply with the State's laws and regulations for disease control, or your certificate is revoked.

If I planned to keep these keets I would have them tested before introducing them to my flock in order to remain compliant with the program. Again, in NC, those are the rules and regulations.

These keets are spoken for and will be going right back to their mama and daddy at a day old.

I disagree - it is absolutely voluntary, and your situation is evidence of that - participation is completely voluntary, you can still operate a breeding program and sell birds in your state without participating.

 

[PeepsCA]

Quote: The initial decision to go thru the process of getting your flock NPIP certified is completely voluntary, yes, but once you get your certification you are then required to comply to the rules and regulations if you want your flock to remain certified.


I was hoping someone that had more than a few months' experience with being NPIP certified or ultimately that a State tester would chime in and address my hatching egg question. As I said in my initial reply to your post about finding eggs and setting them... I didn't question you about hatching eggs from a non-NPIP certified flock along with some of your own eggs to cause an argument. I was concerned that you were putting your flock's certification at risk, nothing more.

Just for my own information I contacted the California State Poultry Board asking if/when I ever decide to get my flocks NPIP certified if CA has any laws, rules or regulations against bringing in hatching eggs from flocks that are not NPIP certified. At least I'll have an answer that pertains to my own State's laws.

Happy hatching, and I hope your flock remains disease free and NPIP certified.

 

[TarheelBirdy]

The initial decision to go thru the process of getting your flock NPIP certified is completely voluntary, yes, but once you get your certification you are then required to comply to the rules and regulations if you want your flock to remain certified.


I was hoping someone that had more than a few months' experience with being NPIP certified or ultimately that a State tester would chime in and address my hatching egg question. As I said in my initial reply to your post about finding eggs and setting them... I didn't question you about hatching eggs from a non-NPIP certified flock along with some of your own eggs to cause an argument. I was concerned that you were putting your flock's certification at risk, nothing more.

Just for my own information I contacted the California State Poultry Board asking if/when I ever decide to get my flocks NPIP certified if CA has any laws, rules or regulations against bringing in hatching eggs from flocks that are not NPIP certified. At least I'll have an answer that pertains to my own State's laws.

Happy hatching, and I hope your flock remains disease free and NPIP certified.

Not trying to put too fine a point on it, but I still disagree with your definition of "voluntary" as it pertains to the NPIP program. It is a voluntary program because of the fact that participation is not required in order to own, raise and sell poultry. If one chooses to participate, there are rules and guidelines that must be followed to remain certified, if so desired.

Sorry I didn't address the question about the hatching eggs, I thought it was a bit rhetorical. Certainly, if I brought in eggs and hatched them, and the keets carried Pullorum, it can be transmitted to my flock. That's why there is regular repeated testing and the requirement to cull any infected birds in order to remain NPIP compliant. Keep in mind that in NC, finding an infected bird in my flock would not cause my certification to be at risk. Not eliminating the infected bird would, as would failing to keep up with required testing. My certification letter states, "In order to maintain your classification, you must not allow any untested birds into your flock and you must follow all NPIP requirements for this classification. Your flock will need to be retested within one year for the Pullorum Typhoid Clean program." Again, had I intended to keep these keets that I am incubating now, I would have to have them tested before exposing them to my flock since they do not come from an NPIP tested flock.

I don't think you and I would fall into the same classification of the NPIP program, by the way, since you mentioned what it would require for you. My classification is for Subpart E, non-commercial.

ETA: The NPIP breakdown of classifications:

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The non-commercial Subparts are:

• B- Multiplier Egg-Type Chickens
• C- Multiplier Meat-Type Chickens
• D- Turkeys
• E- Waterfowl, Exhibition, Game Birds, and Backyard Flocks
• F- Ostrich
• G- Primary Egg-Type Chickens (Breeding)
• H- Primary Meat-Type Chickens (Breeding)

The commercial Subparts are:

• B- Commercial Table-Egg Layers
• C- Commercial Meat-Type Chickens
• D- Commercial Meat-Type Turkeys
• E- Commercial Upland Game Birds, Waterfowl, Raised-For-Release Upland Game Birds and Raised-For-Release Waterfowl

 

[kuntrygirl]

I just put 18 eggs under a few broody chickens. I'm hoping for a good hatch. I guess I'll be hatching as long as they are laying.

 

[PeepsCA]

I just put 18 eggs under a few broody chickens. I'm hoping for a good hatch. I guess I'll be hatching as long as they are laying.

Congrats! Hope they all hatch for you. I need some bigger broody Hens than my little fluffball Silkie Hens, they can barely cover 6 eggs each lol. I have a broody Turkey Hen right now tho that keeps hoarding every Turkey egg that gets laid in their coop/pen, she'll go get them from all the way across the pen, roll them to her nesting area and pull them under her. Then she pancakes out on them like she thinks she has a full clutch under her and acts all serious even if it's just 2 eggs, lol. I bet she'd gladly take a couple dozen Guinea eggs if I gave them to her, but I need more Turkey eggs from her so she needs to knock it off and get back to laying. I removed her nesting area yesterday (she's way ticked off), no broody Turkey Hens allowed right now!

 

[kuntrygirl]

I just put 18 eggs under a few broody chickens. I'm hoping for a good hatch. I guess I'll be hatching as long as they are laying.

[COLOR=4B0082]Congrats! Hope they all hatch for you. I need some bigger broody Hens than my little fluffball Silkie Hens, they can barely cover 6 eggs each lol. I have a broody Turkey Hen right now tho that keeps hoarding every Turkey egg that gets laid in their coop/pen, she'll go get them from all the way across the pen, roll them to her nesting area and pull them under her. Then she pancakes out on them like she thinks she has a full clutch under her and acts all serious even if it's just 2 eggs, lol. I bet she'd gladly take a couple dozen Guinea eggs if I gave them to her, but I need more Turkey eggs from her so she needs to knock it off and get back to laying. I removed her nesting area yesterday (she's way ticked off), no broody Turkey Hens allowed right now![/COLOR]

Thanks. I ready to let my guineas out of their pen. I kinda enjoy seeing them run around the yard.

LOL @ turkey hen hoarder.

 

[bargain]

May I borrow this picture for my hubby's computer screen>. He is guinea crazy. Hatching some in next few days but he got me two little lavs hatched after I find my facemask I'm going to see them.... No, they are NOT That stinky LOL, I just have pneumonia and staph in my lungs and am supposed to be extremely careful around all our animals.... So hard to wear and mask that is almost hazmat quality and cuddle with the wee ones. But I don't want to have to start IV antiobitiocs like last year..... Happy Mother's Day.... I will go see what's hatching today!!!!

 

[bargain]

Has any one used large geese - like sebbies to hatch guineas.... I got two that are totally broody, Should I take advantage. They have already been nesting about 5 days, but I just found the eureka of eggs and would the guinea let a goose be the mother or would it run helter skelter like the regular guineas.... In this case the mother could not keep up with the guinea. Advice please!!!!!!!!!! Thanks!

 

[guineaguy]

Yes you can use the pic

 

[bargain]

Thanks GUinea guy, going to go surprise his computer screen