isolating coturnix colors

[syble]

i am getting some hatching eggs next week of mixed color coturnix, what is my best way to go about isolating colors so that in the future they will breed true? as i understand it silver will never breed true as it is lethal if there are 2 copies of the gene? but that being said, if i understand it, you breed it with brown and it is dominant so will either pop up as silver or pure brown (not brown carriers of silver right?).
Thanks
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[mhwc56]

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hmmmmm...are you telling us that you will be having silvers ? In the U.S.? hmmmmmm...

when they hatch all you can do is set them up in groups of like colors and work outward from there.There's different colors that have lethal genes.some whites and some golds have them too and i don't know which else...if you do a search on the internet you can get alot of info on lethal genetics in coturnix....
it also wouldn't be a bad idea for you to go to Stellargamebird.com and read the info that Quaillady has there on her site.

 

[Fat Daddy]

What mhwc56 is trying to say is WE NEED SILVER EGGS!!! It appears your from michigan, that would be the right side of the boarder to ship "close friends" like us some silver eggs.

Bill

 

[syble]

are they not available here? I haven't seen the birds, maybe they are not silvers?

 

[Fat Daddy]

I have not heard of silvers on this side of Canada. If thats what you have, the eggs would fetch a premium price. Bill

 

[shelleyd2008]

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Silver coturnix do not exist in the U.S. to my knowledge, so I can't help you there. But in order to isolate certain colors you'll want to put birds of the same phenotype in the same pen. You can put goldens together but just remember that you will have a percentage of eggs that don't develop/die in the shell due to a lethal gold gene. Otherwise, you can put your browns and golds together but that would make it more difficult to isolate colors.

If I were you, I'd try to use as few females as possible in your pens (think pairs or trios if they don't kill each other) and mark your eggs well. That way, if an oddball chick hatches (like tibetan from your browns or white from your golds) you will have an easier time figuring out the identity of the bird(s) carrying those genes.

 

[mhwc56]

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Silver coturnix do not exist in the U.S. to my knowledge, so I can't help you there. But in order to isolate certain colors you'll want to put birds of the same phenotype in the same pen. You can put goldens together but just remember that you will have a percentage of eggs that don't develop/die in the shell due to a lethal gold gene. Otherwise, you can put your browns and golds together but that would make it more difficult to isolate colors.

If I were you, I'd try to use as few females as possible in your pens (think pairs or trios if they don't kill each other) and mark your eggs well. That way, if an oddball chick hatches (like tibetan from your browns or white from your golds) you will have an easier time figuring out the identity of the bird(s) carrying those genes.

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and yes i was saying that we NEEEEEEEEED silver eggs if you end up with them!

have you seen the parents of the eggs you'll be getting?

 

[leahthor]

My post got erased so if it shows twice please excuse me.

If you put a silver with a pharoah you will get silvers and pharoahs. This is the best way to get silvers as you are right that it is a lethal gene. Still don't be surprised if some of the silvers only live a couple of days. If you put a silver with a tibetan though you will get bleus (aka charcoals aka etc etc).

I have my silver pied hen with a bleu hen and an italian roo now and I'm getting some weird silver italians. I need to let them get a bit older before I'm sure of whether they are silver or bleus.

 

[syble]

with the exception of silver(which should be paired with a brown for no leathal eggs), what colors of quail can be kept as like colors to produce replica offspring.
I know brown to brown makes brown
whites to white make whites (works for both A&M and english)
What about the other colors? Are some colors only the product of crossing and are incapable of breeding true?

 

[Stellar]

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Italians and Manchurians can go together and the British Ranges (Tibetan and Rosetta) can go together.