Its Time To NAME THAT EYE PROBLEM!!!Update: PG 11 bottom of Post #101

[The Wolf Queen]

Worse update: went out to feed and 2 more birds have it. One from each pen. I immediately seperated them and one not sure which of the four had somewhat liquidy poo. Dont know if the detail helps but... im gonna go back to feeding and watering (bringing my jumbo bottle of germ x. hope it helps kill germs) I just feel like bawling my eyes out right now.

Pickle actually and I dont know if this makes a difference but I ment I havent gotten more birds since early spring and those are in the adult coop and nun of the adults are showing those signs or any other signs at all.

 

[threehorses]

On the droppings, that's what the yogurt is for.

When birds get illnesses in their sinuses, the sinuses (remember the tear duct) opens into the top of the roof of their mouth. So when the gunk drains, it drains into their digestive tract.

The bacteria there upset the GOOD bacteria of the gut. That's why you want to put more good bacteria in the gut - and you do that using the yogurt. That's why it's important to use it daily during the cold - UNLESS you use a -mycin or -cycline antibiotic. Then you want to get a bottle of "Acidophilis" from the grocery store or pharmacy in their vitamin section. It's living bacteria in a capsule. You just empty the capsule and mix it with a wet-mash that they'll eat really quickly.

The good bacteria actually compete with bad bacteria for the digestive tract. You want the good ones to outnumber the bad ones and win.

By the way, hon, if you get a head cold, you can do the same. It helps get rid of stomach aches and other unfortunate things that happen after a cold. It's just a LOT more important to chickens as their good bacteria actually are the little workers that digest their food.

On the adults, just be sure to do the well birds all first. Then use your anti-germ stuff, maybe even change shoes (You step in the droplets that they sling and sneeze and carry it ab out with you) and then use one set of shoes for the ill birds. I change my shirt and use one shirt or smock or big man's shirt as an over-shirt when I do the ill birds.

That way you're less likely to bring it to the well birds.

The birds that were in with the ill birds - they might all come down with it because they've all been exposed. It's best to just assume they will so you won't feel so hurt if they do. You'll know what to expect.

If you are less surprised, you'll be more prepared, and you'll be very much stronger. And you are doing a good job of trying to fix this. We're all proud of you. Keep being strong, keep your chin up, and know that even us old-timers to chicken get upset sometimes too. But these things pass and this, too, will pass and you'll be so much smarter for it.

You'll really know so much more! Your project just decided to teach you the WHOLE story about owning chickens, not just part of it. Be glad for that - because you'll have a lot of weapons for any future attacks on your birds by bacteria.

Hang in there!

 

[Kitsap Cluckers]

I would certainly try flushing and treating before culling your bird. At home, you can flush with regular saline eyewash that you would use on yourself. An eye ointment certainly wouldn't hurt. It will help keep the eye moisturized and ward
off localized infection. If you can't find eye ointment locally, here's a link to purchase online:
http://www.jefferspet.com/ssc/product.asp?CID=0&mscssid=FSX2GKFK04JS9N0C86QD5E4P2E9PBTC1&pf_id=229

 

[The Wolf Queen]

Ok I asked my mom to stop at Walgreens and get Yogurt and thos vitamins. 2 more has turned into 3 more and some of them have runny orange yellow poo and the others have dark brown poo that doesnt look completely digested. I gave my mom the number to the agricultural people and she is going to call them. Oh and she is also going to talk to a bird vet later and we have might get an appointment tomorrow evening or there is another place where if we drop them off before 10 am tomorrow they will test them. Im still debating and trying to figure out which is cheaper of the 3 options. Oh and I doubt this does and thing but their feed is medicated. What does that help with?

 

[The Wolf Queen]

threehorses wrote: And you are doing a good job of trying to fix this. We're all proud of you. Keep being strong, keep your chin up, and know that even us old-timers to chicken get upset sometimes too. But these things pass and this, too, will pass and you'll be so much smarter for it.

You'll really know so much more! Your project just decided to teach you the WHOLE story about owning chickens, not just part of it. Be glad for that - because you'll have a lot of weapons for any future attacks on your birds by bacteria.

Hang in there!

Thanks I really appreciate it

 

[threehorses]

Quote:
The medication in the food is most likely Amprolium. (Honestly it's the only medication in feed you should ever use.) Amprolium helps with cocci (protazoa) that cause coccidiosis. It's not supposed to kill them all - but keep them in low enough numbers that your birds get a tiny unnoticable case of coccidiosis and overcome it, without you even seeing it, so that they become immune to it. Because it keeps cocci low but doesn't kill them, it's called a coccidiocide. (If it killed all the cocci it's be called a coccidioCIDE).

So you'll understand better, protazoa are different from bacteria. So amprolium won't do anything for bacteria. And even antibiotics don't kill all bacteria - just certain kinds. It's a bit like mythical silver bullets killing vampires, but regular bullets won't. Not all bullets (antibiotics) work on all bacteria (um, vampires? heheh).

/hugs!

 

[The Wolf Queen]

Thanks Three. Tomorrow I'm taking the 1rst one who got it to the vet. They will test him and we will see what to do from there. I know for sure if its something that wont go away and can spread to other birds or will carry, all of them are going to be culled, and the ones without signs will be tested. Ones that come back positive or as carriers I will also cull. Still hoping not but... Oh and if need be, should I just bury them or cremate them to prevent spreading or what? Sorry if I sound vulgar or something.

 

[PurpleChicken]

I'm glad to see Wolf Queen getting help here but I have a problem with
treating a disease before it's identified. If this is MG killing the symptoms
will reduce the ability to get the infection out of the flock.

The fact it's spreading this rapidly concerns me also.

Wolf Queen please call your AG office in the morning and see if they offer
inexpensive or free testing. Ask also about NPIP certification.

The next few days are going to tell a lot. A few chickens getting sick a few
days apart means they may have been exposed at the same time. Now
the other birds have all been exposed to the sick ones.


So,
1-Do not medicate, call for testing, monitor closely, cull sick and infected
birds

or

2-Treat with antibiotics and LOCK DOWN YOUR FLOCK. If it's MG you'll
be treating several times a year and WILL NOT be able to remove birds
from your existing flock or go around other flocks yourself. Handlers
spread disease very easily.


Go with #1.

Best wishes.

 

[PurpleChicken]

Quote:
You sound very strong, not vulgar at all.

If they test positive for MG disposal is no problem. I buried my pet chickens
and still processed my meat birds.

You are doing good. This is a lousy thing to go through and brings up
a lot of crummy feelings.

 

[The Wolf Queen]

PurpleChicken wrote: I'm glad to see Wolf Queen getting help here but I have a problem with
treating a disease before it's identified. If this is MG killing the symptoms
will reduce the ability to get the infection out of the flock.

The fact it's spreading this rapidly concerns me also.

Wolf Queen please call your AG office in the morning and see if they offer
inexpensive or free testing. Ask also about NPIP certification.

The next few days are going to tell a lot. A few chickens getting sick a few
days apart means they may have been exposed at the same time. Now
the other birds have all been exposed to the sick ones.


So,
1-Do not medicate, call for testing, monitor closely, cull sick and infected
birds

or

2-Treat with antibiotics and LOCK DOWN YOUR FLOCK. If it's MG you'll
be treating several times a year and WILL NOT be able to remove birds
from your existing flock or go around other flocks yourself. Handlers
spread disease very easily.


Go with #1.

Best wishes.

OK in answer to that im getting at least one tested at the vet tomorrow, then Im gonna get the tester out here and have all of my birds tested (How do they tell all of one breed apart???). Then the ones that come back possitive as having it or carriers are sadly going in a hole in the ground (Im gonna need a backhoe

) or if someone can recomend another disposal method Id apreciate it. My pet cemetary is getting filled up fast. The number Pickle gave me for the Dep of Agriculture isnt working so im gonna look it up (if anyone knows it that works to

). I think I covered it. Tell me if I missed answering anything.

ETA:

PurpleChicken wrote: You sound very strong, not vulgar at all.

If they test positive for MG disposal is no problem. I buried my pet chickens
and still processed my meat birds.

You are doing good. This is a lousy thing to go through and brings up
a lot of crummy feelings.

Thanks for the hug and mine are too small for freezer camp so let there be a great hole in my pet cemetary/ field. Any one know how big a hole ill need for possibly 80-100 birds if just my juveniles have it or around 130...135? if all my older birds have it? Well at least I have my 45 or so chicks in the house that havent been exposed at all to me or my other birds when I was near them. I just hope my special chicken Cedar doesnt have it (probably duz she is in one of the juvie coops

times google) or my polishes (one in adult coop others in juvie coop B) or my friend's birds Goose the light brahma or Xedelia the sebright (probably duz she is in one of the juvie coops) or my 2 roos... my 2 EE's in the adult coop Eros and Osiris (yes they have guy names I originally thought they were cockerels). I know its wishful thinking but... Im just hoping cuz if I lost Cedar

GOD she was my first ever hatch and she was alone for a week in the brooder so we bonded

. Oh god if she has it I just cant ax her. if she has it she is being taken to the vet to be put down. She gets wrapped in fleece and gets the cross I made and some mornings glories on her. Listen to me. now im just babbling... oh well im almost done...PLEASE GOD NO NOT HER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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