Ivermectin and ignorance

[KarynVA]

“As long as it's public school?”

Why are you pretending? You know homeschooling is a perfectly valid and accepted mode of educating our kids.

How can we have a rational conversation if you keep putting up these disingenuous objections?

 

[electrycmonk]

More like "Animal Farm"....... Keep your towel handy and sneaks tied

You know…. “Welcome to the Monkey House” is also a brain scrambler to fit here as well….
Penny for your thoughts?

 

[The Kooky Kiwi]

You mean cause Property damage?

On other peoples yards? ( I know where you'll go with that).

As long as it's public school?

I don't resent, I embrace.

I view it this way ...

In polite society it is generally accepted that we do not do harm to others.
Examples of how we impose this expectation on ourselves might include :
* Laws that say we cannot assault each other
* Doctors take the hippocratic oath before being allowed to practice
* In professions such as my own we have "fiduciary" responsibilities to act in the best interests of our clients

The above are examples that have been codified in laws or rules of conduct.

The vaccine choice is not set in law, or rule, but rather has a "social conscience" aspect to it.

You have a duty to yourself to make a decision that suits your personal interests.

But, as a member of polite society, do you not also have a duty to make a decision that doesn't harm those around you?

 

[electrycmonk]

What I’m most concerned about (and please forgive if this repeats someone) is that human off-label consumption of ivermectin is going to get it pulled from shelves everywhere. Then it would be unavailable — or very difficult to get — for our fur/feather babies.

I have a hard time with this worry….. if the logic for this idea were actually put into play then you would have an impressively crazy logistics fiasco burst like a water hose with a blister.

There isn’t a parallel I can fathom having occurred in history to match your concern coming to fruition.

 

[The Kooky Kiwi]

I have a hard time with this worry….. if the logic for this idea were actually put into play then you would have an impressively crazy logistics fiasco burst like a water hose with a blister.

There isn’t a parallel I can fathom having occurred in history to match your concern coming to fruition.

Edited:

IF people start buying up supplies of animal products, thinking to use it for personal health reasons, regulators are quite likely to pull the product off the shelves and make it available by "consult only".

The logistics aren't difficult at all. Suppliers simply put it out back and you only get to have it if you meet the purchasing criteria.

There are a great many animal medicines and products that are only available with a prior vet consult - and this is specifically to avoid unintended use - so yes there are many established examples.

 

[Gizabelle]

You know…. “Welcome to the Monkey House” is also a brain scrambler to fit here as well….
Penny for your thoughts?

"We" by Yevengy Zamyatin...where the conspiracy mongers see us headed.

 

[electrycmonk]

I have a parallel for you :

In NZ paracetamol products that contain codeine used to be available, without prescription, at supermarkets and pharmacies.

People started using it for purposes it was not intended, and/or overusing it.
This created several problems, but the end result was:

Government yanked it off the shelves and made it prescription only.
You now must pay for a doctors consult to get a prescription.

IF people start buying up supplies of animal products, thinking to use it for personal health reasons, regulators may very well pull the product off the shelves and make it available by "consult only". There are many animal medicines and products that are only available by this method - specifically to avoid unintended use.

Yes. I see what your drawing here. May I ask you to back up your parallel attempt a wee bit.
Logistics is a much bigger spider web on this side of the pond dude. The spider web metaphor is intentional for use when describing the 48 connected states via rail, air, highways, roads, mail, etc….

Kiwi…. Your nation, geographically speaking is approximately the size of one or two of our states. Is that a fair generalization for now?

So knowing that “taking something off the shelf” nationwide is a really Herculean effort to undertake. It would take….(scratches head)… likely 7-12 months to probably get 75-85% of the stock “off the retail shelves.”
However there are so many states with such a high population of those that believe “faux noise” and other electronic diarrhea….. that those states would like have many areas that would say one thing and do the actual opposite.

the last time I can recall a project of this magnitude was attempted it took a couple years to get all the “special” smoke alarms off the shelves nationwide.

what smoke detectors am I talking about?
(Giggles) ohhhh the one referenced in the Anarchist’s Cookbook back in the early 80’s. These little gems had a very tiny speck of a medium that could build a dirty bomb….. if you could collect enough of these detectors. Problem is that many of them stayed in folks house for years afterwards. In fact when we were looking at some old houses a decade ago now….. this historic home happened to have a couple of *THAT* smoke detector in it. And a current battery was in it - it was still testing as “working”.

I hope this makes sense dude.

 

[electrycmonk]

"We" by Yevengy Zamyatin...where the conspiracy mongers see us headed.

Ahhhhhhh /nods head

That’s an even older work. Nice reference!

 

[BigBlueHen53]

Jumping in at the deep end, have not read all 11 pages, just want to make this point and forgive me if it's been made already.

Ivermectin is formulated to be administered to large farm animals (horses, cows, weighing 1,000 lbs and up) in doses measured in mg, milligrams. When dosed for humans by doctors via Rx, it is administered in doses measured in mcg, MICROGRAMS. That is one one-thousandth of the dose for a farm animal. Not a tenth, not a hundredth. A THOUSANDTH. So do you have the equipment to take a milligram of the product and divide it into one thousand equal parts and take one of those parts, to dose yourself accurately and safely?

I'm betting you don't.

And failure to do so is to risk seizure, convulsions and death.

Please. Leave the horse wormer to people who need it for their horses and cows, and get the Covid vaccine to protect you from dying of Covid.

 

[45lk9p459gm-w]

You know…. “Welcome to the Monkey House” is also a brain scrambler to fit here as well….
Penny for your thoughts?

"We" by Yevengy Zamyatin...where the conspiracy mongers see us headed.

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