Judging question about type

[fowlman01]

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He is gone now, but we have seven Cardi's here. My wife Suzanne showed with Pat Jenson here in CA. (Pems and Cardi's)

Walt

Oh, lovely! Mine are all from Betty Ann Seely (Pecan Valley) but there's some Larchmont back there. Glad to "meet" you.

Nice to meet you too! The wife has a male puppy that she will start to show soon. I am starting to teach him that chickens are not for chasing.

Walt

 

[punky rooster]

Lol!
my poodle doesn't bother my birds

 

[lildinkem]

Cardi's are excellent livestock dogs. They were designed so low to avoid being kicked by livestock. I seen on DOGS 101 a Lady working hers in a field with I think as I remember Horses. May have been cattle, but them little guys are feirless around these big animals. And the lady who owned the dogs who herded said hers have never been kicked. Great dogs!

The big difference I see between Walt's Orpington or the APA style and the BR is the less of a full front of the BR. Look how nice and round Walt's Buff looks in the front. The BR has what I hear called a "cut away chest". An Orpington to me looks like a Bowling ball with feathers and a tail sticking out.

Here is a cock I have that has a nice round front. He has lousy color but I got him to be a breeder cause of his type. And it is his big round chest. I hope this pic also helps what we are trying to show in the major differences in the two breeds. Many will use other varieties to make a certain trait, more prolific in their lines. That is why you see the Cochin in the Uks Orps. And here we see the Rock build in our birds. As long as you know what you are doing it can all be okay. But, these traits will pop up again and again as our breeders breed in for different traits. This is why many will buy from Heritage breeder's lines, so they do not have unexpected pop ups coming out every generation.
This pic is to show the roundness you do not see is hatchery stock Orpingtons.

 

[kathyinmo]

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[fowlman01]

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You have some of those too?

w.

 

[kathyinmo]

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You have some of those too?

w.

Pure eye candy to these eyes! Of course, I do not like those scrawny looking gamebirds and bantam nuggets.

I do also have American Orps .... though the picture is not the best, this is one massive American Orp boy.....

 

[punky rooster]

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LOL kathy!

 

[PepsNick]

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isn't that speckledhen's photo?

 

[Robert Blosl]

You have some nice pictures of type on the Orpingtons does any one have pictures or have English strain of Plymouth Rocks or Rhode Island Reds.??

I am fasanated with the English Orpington Type. I might be interested some day to get some they should make good siting hens for my call ducks. bob

 

[lildinkem]

Some will call the UK style Orpingtons a fad. Like many fads without the proper support they eventually fade out of style. I only can see some who know what they want sticking it out with this version of Orpingtons here in the states. However I can see a great improvement in our Blacks and Blues here in the states since these birds have landed here. Is it due to the UK blood? MAYBE, for me maybe not. I know why some want these UK Orpingtons. To increase certain traits to be more competative with the Buff Orps here in the states. And those who have them will use them in that direction. I am one of those who is, in a very small number, using these UK birds to make a new bloodline with some of the traits others are trying to achieve. Then again, IF you want to make a Black or Blue to look and be more competative with Buff Orps at shows, and you knowingly are making a clear and total outcross breeding to do so, you should just use a Buff orp to a Black Orp, both meeting APA standards to make birds to meet your goal. I did not do that to the extent I would have now knowing what I do. So my version is tainted more so then IF I did it all over again. But there again, no one in their right mind would breed the birds I do and still progress forward with what many say is an inferior cock bird to do it with. But that is why I am me. I don't listen to learn I do and learn from my mistake OR positive experinces.
I don't know why I like what I am developing in my Black Orps. I just look at the pics of the Buffs who win shows and TRY to make them in Black.
Am I close? Prolly far from it. But, I only had my Blacks a year and a half and am still very much learning about what makes an APA Orpington.