Just found a dead chick.

[ten chicks]

Why would you say that medicated starter does not prevent cocci? It is the ONLY thing medicated starter prevents.

Nope, you are wrong,it does not prevent cocci. All it does is slow cocci down,to minimize deaths,but only if you catch it in time and get the medication.

 

[Ms Steak]

I would consider treating chicks for cocci(coccidiosis),always my first guess when chicks die. Some symptoms are runny poop(may or may not contain blood)fluffed feathers,lethargic,not eating/drinking watch for symptoms in other chicks. Cocci acts quickly and kills fast. Medicated starter feed does not prevent cocci. If concerned purchase Corid(amprol) Dosage for Corid powder is 1/2 tsp per gallon of water. Dosage for Corid liquid is 2 tsp per gallon of water. Treat all chicks for 5 days,do not give vitamins during treatment(interferes with medication)give vitamins after treatment.

I may have to go to the vets to buy that. Thank you for the information.

 

[Ms Steak]

I bought this. Will it be ok?

http://www.flytesofancy.co.uk/chickenhouses/Coxoid_Coccidiosis_Treatment.html#aT673081

 

[Rosie42892]

Nope, you are wrong,it does not prevent cocci. All it does is slow cocci down,to minimize deaths,but only if you catch it in time and get the medication.

"Medicated chick starter is like an insurance policy, aimed at preventing a single disease called coccidiosis, caused by an intestinal parasite. This parasite is widespread and found in just about every chicken yard. It thrives in damp conditions and with brooder-raised chicks. It is the number one cause of death in chicks throughout the world."
http://www.urbanfarmonline.com/urba...hatching-medicated-chicken-starter-feeds.aspx

So yes, it does prevent chicks from getting Cocci. Since Cocci grows in damp conditions, brooder raised chicks are more likely to develop Cocci. The purpose is to prevent the disease in the chick. The medication (Corid, etc) is to TREAT the Cocci.

 

[WalkingOnSunshine]

Nope, you are wrong,it does not prevent cocci. All it does is slow cocci down,to minimize deaths,but only if you catch it in time and get the medication.

The active ingredient in most medicated starter is Amprolium. Corid is the common name for Amprolium. http://www.corid.com/Pages/default.aspx . Giving more Amprolium is probably not the best course of action in this case.

Cocci is endemic in our environment. Pretty much all chicks will be exposed. You are technically right that medicated starter slows down cocci so that the chicks' body can handle it--but that's very far from "to minimize deaths." With healthy, non-stressed chicks, medicated starter does indeed prevent active cocci infection.

We still haven't determined if the OP does have cocci, and I don't think that they do, since only one chick died and the OP didn't say anything about severe diarrhea or other chicks looking visibly ill. Here is the technical breakdown on coccidiosis in poultry: http://www.merckmanuals.com/vet/poultry/coccidiosis/overview_of_coccidiosis_in_poultry.html

We also haven't found out if the OP had their chicks vaccinated for coccidiosis. If so, treating with Corid or feeding medicated starter will nullify the protection from both the medicated feed and the vaccination.

If the OP was feeding medicated starter, and did actually get chicks with coccidiosis, then there is something else going on in the environment to stress the birds to cause them to not be able to fight off the cocci infection with the help of the medicated starter. Rather than throw more Amprolium at the problem, it would be better to find another coccidiostat just in case the cocci were resistant to Amprolium AND find out what the stressor is and eliminate it.

Personally, if the other chicks in the brooder are all acting healthy and happy, I would not treat them with medication they do not need. It's much more likely that there was simply something internally not right with that one chick. It happens.

 

[ten chicks]

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[ten chicks]

You can treat chicks for cocci,even if they are on medicated starter feed. If chicks have coccidiosis,and are not treated they will probably DIE,treating chicks for cocci,even if they did not have it will NOT HURT them. If you choose to not throw Amprol at your chicks fine,but do not tell other people that it is not necessary,this always results in more deaths. Go and look at the emergency/disease forum,look at all the dead chicks due to misinformation like this. Also Corid kills 9 strains of cocci. Stress does not cause cocci. Cocci gets out of hand when chicks get an overload of it ,they cannot fight it off. Cocci is aggressive and can cause permanent intestinal damage if not properly controlled. Cocci is a parasitic infection of the intestinal tract.,and is spread by contaminated feed and droppings from infected chicks. That is why,when one chick is suspected to have it,you treat all chicks.

 

[silkiechicken]

The active ingredient in most medicated starter is Amprolium. Corid is the common name for Amprolium. http://www.corid.com/Pages/default.aspx . Giving more Amprolium is probably not the best course of action in this case.

Cocci is endemic in our environment. Pretty much all chicks will be exposed. You are technically right that medicated starter slows down cocci so that the chicks' body can handle it--but that's very far from "to minimize deaths." With healthy, non-stressed chicks, medicated starter does indeed prevent active cocci infection.

We still haven't determined if the OP does have cocci, and I don't think that they do, since only one chick died and the OP didn't say anything about severe diarrhea or other chicks looking visibly ill. Here is the technical breakdown on coccidiosis in poultry: http://www.merckmanuals.com/vet/poultry/coccidiosis/overview_of_coccidiosis_in_poultry.html

We also haven't found out if the OP had their chicks vaccinated for coccidiosis. If so, treating with Corid or feeding medicated starter will nullify the protection from both the medicated feed and the vaccination.

If the OP was feeding medicated starter, and did actually get chicks with coccidiosis, then there is something else going on in the environment to stress the birds to cause them to not be able to fight off the cocci infection with the help of the medicated starter. Rather than throw more Amprolium at the problem, it would be better to find another coccidiostat just in case the cocci were resistant to Amprolium AND find out what the stressor is and eliminate it.

Personally, if the other chicks in the brooder are all acting healthy and happy, I would not treat them with medication they do not need. It's much more likely that there was simply something internally not right with that one chick. It happens.

+1

ONE chick just up and died... this happens, they are chickens... sometimes they die of non obvious reasons, most commonly within two weeks of hatch, at point of lay, or 3-4 years of age due to laying issues. Animals that have the potential to produce dozens, hundreds, or thousands of offspring annually tend to have a high mortality rate vs animals which invest much time into few.

Plus, if these chicks have never been outside... where would they have been exposed to the protozoa in the first place? The med feed helps with building of resistance, which doesn't do anything if there is none present in the first place anyway.

 

[WalkingOnSunshine]

You can treat chicks for cocci,even if they are on medicated starter feed. If chicks have cocci,and are not treated they will probably DIE,treating chicks for cocci,even if they did not have it will NOT HURT them. If you choose to not throw Amprol at your chicks fine,but do not tell other people that it is not necessary,this always results in more deaths. Go and look at the emergency/disease forum,look at all the dead chicks due to misinformation like this.

No, I did not say to not treat them if they have coccidiosis. I said to use a different drug than Amprolium in case the reason they are presenting with symptoms is because the OP has a resistant stain of cocci.

I also said to make sure they have coccidiosis first. Right now we only have one dead chick. If there are no symptoms in the others, this is not coccidiosis and treating for an infection they do not have only works to make more resistant protozoa. Throwing random drugs at any animal without a diagnosis is not responsible animal husbandry, and will harm us all in the long run. Amprolium is an extremely important drug for many animals, not just poultry. Let's keep the Amprolium resistant cocci to a minimum.

 

[ten chicks]

Corid(amprol) kills 9 strains of cocci. The cocci they might have is not resistant to amprol because of medicated feed. The amount of amprol in medicated feed is very small,only enough for light exposure to cocci. Once there is an overload,medicated feed DOES NOTHING. Yes chicks can get cocci,even if they have not been outside.

Yes, i will throw random drugs at my chicks to prevent them dying from something as treatable as Coccidiosis. To not treat is irresponsible. In my opinion,you do not understand coccidiosis,some of your comments are questionable. Go ahead and not treat your chicks, personally i could care a less. I am done with this conversation,you clearly don't know what you are talking about!