Just had a MAJOR fail. Feeling sad. Need some advice.

I appreciate your kind words. I said to my wife this morning if I manage to get them back in, they are staying in for a while!! I guess it's all part of the game but I really take the death of any animal that I am responsible for hard. I am trying my best and so far it is just not working. I'm not giving up though. I will continue to post both triumphs and defeats. Today is another day!

It’s definitely not easy.
I too take it hard and personal when I lose an animal. I’m still upset with myself over losing a hatchling due to it being too big for its shell. It was way over due, but after helping so many to hatch I felt maybe I was rushing things and causing my own problems. Poor thing. I should have opened its shell and helped it out. A lesson learned for next time.
 
IDK what I'm doing. Last night I couldn't get anyone cooped up. Lost two guineas last night to a predator. Heard the poor things getting eaten at around 445(one hour tll F-in sunrise) and when the sun came up two were missing. What works one day with these birds does not work the next. I am obviously going to keep trying but I don't really know what else to do. Got the white millet on order, Hopefully that will help. Going to make minor coop adjustments today finally that I have some time. It was pouring and thundering last night. I thought for sure they would want to coop up. NOPE. I wasn't prepared for the emotional toll of these birds. They leave, they come back. They coop up one night, scatter the next and get killed. Gaah! I hope all the time and energy I put in doesn't end up being just to feed a couple raccoons, but that is becoming a distinct possibility. Down to 5 guineas, and feeling defeated.:th:hit
Oh Tre3Hugger, I’m so so sorry. Believe me, it’s not just you, I take every death way too much to heart! When we first got poultry, my husband‘s work friends, long time country poultry keepers, laughed at all of my pictures and names, and doting ways. They told him, “Don’t worry, after she loses a few birds, she’ll stop naming them and settle down about this whole poultry business.” He just laughed because he knows me too well... All this to say that some people just stop naming them and caring so much to save themselves grief. I get that and totally see that viewpoint. Some people double down. At any rate, keeping free-ranging birds is hard, no matter what the species is. I’ve spent some time browsing the Predator and Pests forum and the post that starts “My birds free range and ...” always goes next into some gruesome predator details. Guinea fowl ARE better at surviving predator attacks than most other domestic poultry but their learning curve is steep. I've done some wildlife rehab, and if you just plunked down human-raised crows or doves or pretty much anything else and expected them to survive like their wild brethren, you’d be watching them get eaten too. Going from a human-raised brooder chick to a predator savvy adult is quite the transformation. It won’t happen all at once, and there will be losses. So, you’re feeling awful and need some time to process these losses, but you also need a plan. My thoughts on this:

1) What’s your goal? Are your guineas there to provide human entertainment? Watch dogs for other birds? Tick eating for your property?
2) What flock number do you need to reach this goal? 5 guineas are probably too small a flock to do well outside on their own. There’s probably some critical mass needed to have enough predator scouts and group function. Guineas don’t survive well in small groups. Can you add more?
3) Current predator issue: sounds like a night time issue now, but some predator just learned that guineas are defenseless and delicious. It may make a daytime grab now. So, first order of business after any predator loss is a lockdown, I’d do 2 weeks. You want to convince your predator that the time spent stalking guineas doesn’t pay. Also, your guineas will likely be upset and traumatized and they need the time to recover.
4) Future plan to mitigate predator issue: currently your biggest issue is nighttime coop training, so you’ll need to develop a plan then set your guineas up for success. Start slow, don’t let them out at all if the weather is bad, or you won’t be home, etc. Getting this group coop trained and predator savvy will help any guineas that you decide to add. These guys may also have to be your learning birds where you figure out what works for you and your situation.

Again, I’m so sorry! Guineas are funny, silly creatures that can really get under your skin, and I still find it so hard to lose them. :hugs
 
Again, I’m so sorry! Guineas are funny, silly creatures that can really get under your skin, and I still find it so hard to lose them.
Thank you for that thoughtful response. Here are the answers to your questions:
1. I purely want them for tick control. If they were able to sustain a small population in the future I wouldn't object to eating them and/or hatching and selling keets either, but top priority, tick control.
2.I have five acres, 3 of which are wooded. Realistically I would like my birds to eat most of the ticks in that area. IDK how many it would take to do that. My original estimate was nine, and I thought that was about the minimum numbers they could carry out their group existence. I am definitely open to adding more but want to get these guys on a routine first before starting an integration program. I would also much prefer to hatch my own eggs then do the hatchery thing again.
3.I have tried and failed 2 times today to get them back in the coop. Just started pooring but I will be back oput there again when it passes. If i get them back in they are getting locked down for sure. AT LEAST 2 weeks lol.
4. I have a couple things I will do differently after lockdown. I am adding a new and bigger entry door for them so there will be one on both front and back of coop. I am ion the proicess of adding a funnel fence as well. Also ordered them a battery powered night light.

I really appreciate you taking the time to write all that out and give me advice. I am suspecting that they really just do not like my entry door for some reason. They spend the majority of their time within 25 yards of the coop. They just don't freely enter and exit it. Not even to eat and drink. I am hoping this new door, which will fold down into a ramp and be 3 ft x ft, may solve the issue of getting them back in. Coupled with the funnel fence and light, I'm creeping towards hopeful.
 
Thank you for that thoughtful response. Here are the answers to your questions:
1. I purely want them for tick control. If they were able to sustain a small population in the future I wouldn't object to eating them and/or hatching and selling keets either, but top priority, tick control.
2.I have five acres, 3 of which are wooded. Realistically I would like my birds to eat most of the ticks in that area. IDK how many it would take to do that. My original estimate was nine, and I thought that was about the minimum numbers they could carry out their group existence. I am definitely open to adding more but want to get these guys on a routine first before starting an integration program. I would also much prefer to hatch my own eggs then do the hatchery thing again.
3.I have tried and failed 2 times today to get them back in the coop. Just started pooring but I will be back oput there again when it passes. If i get them back in they are getting locked down for sure. AT LEAST 2 weeks lol.
4. I have a couple things I will do differently after lockdown. I am adding a new and bigger entry door for them so there will be one on both front and back of coop. I am ion the proicess of adding a funnel fence as well. Also ordered them a battery powered night light.

I really appreciate you taking the time to write all that out and give me advice. I am suspecting that they really just do not like my entry door for some reason. They spend the majority of their time within 25 yards of the coop. They just don't freely enter and exit it. Not even to eat and drink. I am hoping this new door, which will fold down into a ramp and be 3 ft x ft, may solve the issue of getting them back in. Coupled with the funnel fence and light, I'm creeping towards hopeful.
That’s tough. I’d do anything I had to to get them in there by tonight as your predator will be looking for them. If they are too spooked, you may need to resort to getting them to eat treats in a garage, or knocking them off their roost after dark then netting them on the ground, or whatever you can think of. Best of luck!!! :fl :fl :fl
 
Where were they roosting, in a tree? How high up? Easy climbing or somewhere only a squirrel could get to? You found feathers but no body parts? You live in a woodsy area in Massachusetts?
They were sleeping in some tall grass on the ground near the coop last I saw them. Just feathers no blood no body parts. Woods of Western Mass.
 
They were sleeping in some tall grass on the ground near the coop last I saw them. Just feathers no blood no body parts. Woods of Western Mass.
Total sitting ducks then. If you see them a n the ground roosting again, they are not too hard to catch from the ground at night with a net and red light. Removal of the bodies means something big enough to carry them off or consume entirely. So that leaves raccoons and opossums as unlikely. Instead, coyote or bobcat comes to mind.
 
After a first run with six keets, only one of which survived (snakes and dogs), we tried again with adopting 16 adult guineas. Because we took them so far from home, and because they have a large fenced/netted enclosure and house, we decided to keep them in for awhile longer than the standard two months. We kept an area of the yard un-mowed so I could pull up and feed them mounds of grass every day in addition to their heavy protein feed mix.
We let them out after between 4-6 months, and they come back to their roost every night unless they get caught in the neighbor’s pasture and forget they can fly (lol). We wait until near dark so they won’t go far. I tried the light at first to get them in their coop but even in rain and snow the light doesn’t seem to help. I think some of them just take awhile longer to train.
Don’t be too discouraged. Whenever I think I’ve lost one they are begging for a treat at the gate the next morning. They aren’t too far from wild and they handle themselves well. Best of luck xx
 

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