Just. Plain. Weird.

[BBQJOE]

I'm coming at it from the perception of a breeder. "I don't think the bloodlines would click" is often a polite way of saying "I don't think you know enough to own a dog from me" when someone says they plan to breed.
If someone answers an ad and doesn't ask in depth detailed questions about the pedigree, health and temperament of the dogs (pedigree and basic health info should always be in the ad) and then tells me they want to breed, no they won't be getting a puppy.
In a given geographic area, all the breeders tend to know each other and word gets around really fast that "hey, someone is looking for a female. They want to breed." and your name ends up on a blacklist pretty fast

Easier to do homework and network first. Look for a puppy second, if you plan to breed.

I believe you have me all wrong.

 

[Free Feather]

At the risk of being shot down in flames ….

May be, if that attitude is adopted by the majority of breeders, this is why puppy factories have become the norm.

The person you told “no, you won’t be getting a puppy” goes off and buys their puppy at half the price from one of those factories and breeds him or her producing more sub par puppies.

I understand that breeders do not want 'just anyone' breeding from their bloodlines but rather than disregard the person on their lack of knowledge or inability to communicate at a level they feel appropriate, it may be better to guide and assist?

Yep, homework and networking is a good idea but some people may like to have a litter of puppies to keep and work on the farm etc ... by the time they have 'networked' enough to become 'accepted' and 'allowed' to buy a puppy, their original dog has died of old age

If breeders still want control over the puppies they breed, do not advertise them to the general public for sale. They bred it, they can't keep it or do not want to keep it because it is not up to standard but they still want to have a say over what someone who has just paid over $500 does with it?


[PS. I speak from experience in that I used to breed and show rough collies but gave it up a long time again due to the 'politics' in breeding circles and show rings].

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I do not really like the idea of people breeding more dogs when so many are homeless and getting euthanized, and feeding them almost always involves factory farming, but I agree with Teila on this. People who hold back the good dogs from people who will breed just promotes the breeding of "inferior" dogs that you can find all over Craigslist and bulletin ads, the dogs that you are finding in the shelters eventually. It would be better to breed less, higher-quality dogs than lots of lower-quality dogs. And most people do not want to feel like they have to follow the previous owner's rules on how they care for a dog that they have paid for...

 

[BBQJOE]

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I do not really like the idea of people breeding more dogs when so many are homeless and getting euthanized, and feeding them almost always involves factory farming, but I agree with Teila on this. People who hold back the good dogs from people who will breed just promotes the breeding of "inferior" dogs that you can find all over Craigslist and bulletin ads, the dogs that you are finding in the shelters eventually. It would be better to breed less, higher-quality dogs than lots of lower-quality dogs. And most people do not want to feel like they have to follow the previous owner's rules on how they care for a dog that they have paid for...

Please believe me. I am no dumb dumb. I have raised very high quality dogs in the past. Now that the wife and I are retired, we are looking at hobbies and different ways of earning an income.
I couldn't even get to this woman's dog's pedigree. She wouldn't share it.
All we could find out is who the parents are, but she couldn't even state who the grandparents were. She had no clue.
I think she understood our intentions, but was unable to be honest or truthful about the lineage.
So she refused me the dog because she was full of BS.
I will not be a puppy mill, or breed garbage dogs.
When I get things lined out, if you want a certified JRTA Jack Russell Terrier, anyone here can give me a call.

 

[dainerra]

if you're looking for an income, breeding dogs isn't going to be it. Now, if you are looking for a way to decrease your supply of surplus money.... lol

The attitude of breeders like I am talking about keeps puppies out of rescue. They are very selective about who gets their dogs because there are so few of them. It's actually not hard to get even a pick of the litter breeding prospect (mine was even free!) but it takes being involved and knowing people in the community.
And that is actually very easy - simply go out and get involved and show a willingness to learn.

Buyers who disparage the careful screening of breeders are the ones who support and promote puppy mills and inferior breeding. Those who refuse to accept "this breed isn't a good match for your lifestyle" are going to go out and buy a puppy from someone who doesn't care where their puppies go and then end up dumping the dog when the responsible breeder turns out to have been correct.

There is also the very American attitude of "I want it and I want it now" With a good breeder, they may have a waiting list 12+ months long. In GSDs, it's not uncommon for people to wait 3 YEARS for a particular breeding.
But most people don't want to accept that. Responsible breeders don't produce a lot of dogs - they breed for themselves and bettering the breed first. They can afford to be selective and screen their buyers because they have those waiting lists.
It's not their fault that people are willing to accept inferior dogs instead of being willing to wait or to educate themselves. One of the biggest reasons I hear for not going to a responsible breeder is price. You can find a GSD in the newspaper or on Craigslist for as little as $200. A well-bred GSD starts around $1200 (with some variation for local costs of vet care and such). But, the newspaper breeder is reaping pure profit since they haven't tested, proven or do more than basic food and care for the pups while the responsible breeder may have $5,000 invested before the first litter is even ready to go home. If they are specifically bred for performance or conformation, that amount is astronomically higher. For example, to special a GSD in conformation average cost is $30,000 per dog.
If you do such sports as IPO or Protection Training, your monthly training expenses can average $500+, especially if you include travel, hotel and entry fees.

BBQJOE, you're much better off without this pup or anything from this breeders bloodlines. Your communication with her has so many red flags, starting with the lack of pedigree in her initial ad.

 

[Free Feather]

if you're looking for an income, breeding dogs isn't going to be it. Now, if you are looking for a way to decrease your supply of surplus money.... lol

The attitude of breeders like I am talking about keeps puppies out of rescue. They are very selective about who gets their dogs because there are so few of them. It's actually not hard to get even a pick of the litter breeding prospect (mine was even free!) but it takes being involved and knowing people in the community.
And that is actually very easy - simply go out and get involved and show a willingness to learn.

Buyers who disparage the careful screening of breeders are the ones who support and promote puppy mills and inferior breeding. Those who refuse to accept "this breed isn't a good match for your lifestyle" are going to go out and buy a puppy from someone who doesn't care where their puppies go and then end up dumping the dog when the responsible breeder turns out to have been correct.

There is also the very American attitude of "I want it and I want it now" With a good breeder, they may have a waiting list 12+ months long. In GSDs, it's not uncommon for people to wait 3 YEARS for a particular breeding.
But most people don't want to accept that. Responsible breeders don't produce a lot of dogs - they breed for themselves and bettering the breed first. They can afford to be selective and screen their buyers because they have those waiting lists.
It's not their fault that people are willing to accept inferior dogs instead of being willing to wait or to educate themselves. One of the biggest reasons I hear for not going to a responsible breeder is price. You can find a GSD in the newspaper or on Craigslist for as little as $200. A well-bred GSD starts around $1200 (with some variation for local costs of vet care and such). But, the newspaper breeder is reaping pure profit since they haven't tested, proven or do more than basic food and care for the pups while the responsible breeder may have $5,000 invested before the first litter is even ready to go home. If they are specifically bred for performance or conformation, that amount is astronomically higher. For example, to special a GSD in conformation average cost is $30,000 per dog.
If you do such sports as IPO or Protection Training, your monthly training expenses can average $500+, especially if you include travel, hotel and entry fees.

BBQJOE, you're much better off without this pup or anything from this breeders bloodlines. Your communication with her has so many red flags, starting with the lack of pedigree in her initial ad.

Are GSDs German Shepherds?

 

[dainerra]

Are GSDs German Shepherds?

yes. GSD is German Shepherd Dog