Kindest way to cull

When I have a chick that needs to be killed, this is what I do. I gently wrap the baby in a paper towel, then put it in a bag. Go out on the back step, and drop a heavy brick onto the bag. It kills the chick instantly, and everything is kept in the bag.
I feel this method is the best, because the chick is in the dark, and snugly wrapped in the towel, so it won't stress out. The block kills it instantly, and it never knows what happened.
 
Rebel what's the physiological difference then between being decapitation and being choked out as in martial arts? I've seen guys get choked out in mere seconds, presumably from loss of blood to the brain, and we are warned that brain damage is within seconds after..
 
Maybe off topic as it's about humans, but physiology isn't that different in this regard:

"The current medical consensus is that life does survive, for a period of roughly thirteen seconds, varying slightly depending on the victim's build, health and the immediate circumstances of the decapitation. The simple act of removing a head from a body is not what kills the brain, rather, it is the lack of oxygen and other important chemicals provided in the bloodstream. To quote Dr. Ron Wright "The 13 seconds is the amount of high energy phosphates that the cytochromes in the brain have to keep going without new oxygen and glucose" (Cited from urbanlegends.com, no longer extant)."

But more to the point it's important that we do what we are ABLE to to ease suffering. If someone is unable to crush the skull of a pet, I can understand. The important thing is that we bring the suffering to as swift an end as possible.
 
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Phew...this is going to be long but in defense of those of us who believe decapitation is a humane form of euthanization I had to explain that I didn't come to this conclusion lightly but instead probably put more thought and research into it than I should have done:

The issue may have been studied since the 1700s, but scientific study in the 18th century has little relation to scientific study now. Our understanding of anatomy has been revolutionized (no pun intended) since the French Revolution when most of the so called evidence emerged. Although I have only briefly read up on the concept of consciousness after decapitation, I have spent years studying 18th century literature and the time period itself, including the evolving nature of the natural sciences. What the body went through after decapitation was for a time engrossing to scientists, writers and laymen alike as guillotine horror stories seeped out of France. The problem with the stories used to prove life after decapitation is that all were proven to be either false, attributed to the wrong person or unsearchable and since science relies solely on empirical evidence, such stories can't be used to prove or disprove anything. To prove one way or another, a scientist would have to perform a human decapitation in a laboratory while monitoring brain waves, etc., and even then there would be questions because brain activity and physical movement do not equal consciousness as we know it...coherent communication would most likely be required to prove that. The main modern evidence offered comes from accidents which were usually reported by survivors in emotional and/or physical distress. For this reason, you'll be hard pressed to find a respected scientific publication that will say it is true...the best you can hope for as far as official evidence goes is that it is possible but unlikely. All the serious articles I could find flatly deny it. Believe me, I once tried to write a paper on an obscure short story written during the French Revolution and I thought it would be awesome if I could get a modern scientific perspective saying that all the creepiness of a temporary living head was a scientific possibility. Unfortunately, such a perspective doesn't exist and I had to go a whole new direction with the paper in the interest of authenticity. The bottom line is, even trained physicians can't say with any certainty when a person (or animal) becomes unaware before death. LOC usually happens before physical death and so the period in between is left to speculation. Modern science can only tell us when blood flow to the brain stops, making thought a physical impossibility. As a physical phenomenon, this happens within a few seconds in humans and even more so in animals whose circulatory systems move faster, i.e. chickens.
 
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Actually the two most respected studys that I know of were done in 1905 an in 1983. Both agreed that LOC happened well after the fact. The 1983 study made it a point to say that the subjects felt several seconds of "intense pain". There are also lots more studys involving people an animals in the last 100 years. Theres even videos out there. Cold blooded animals have been known to stay awake for over an hour.

But anyway, my personal experience means more to me than any study out there. But I cant really go there so Ill have to leave this conversation there.
 
What were the titles of these studies and where were they published? I'd actually like to get a hold of them in case I wanted to write on the subject again in the future.
 
I'd also be very interested in these studies. Anecdotal evidence not as much. Often people misunderstand what they are seeing, hard to be objective in such times..

In the mean time, from the university of Iowa:

'Decapitation is acceptable for rodents, rabbits and birds, and other animals of similar size. This requires special equipment and is aesthetically unacceptable to many. Although not required, the use of sedation or anesthesia prior to euthanasia is encouraged. If sedation or anesthesia prior to decapitation is not used the investigator must provide scientific justification for its exclusion. In lieu of the use of anesthetics, prior recommendations have required the immediate placement of the decapitated head into liquid nitrogen. This is still an acceptable alternative however it is not required in part because of the human safety risk and is not recommended by the IACUC committee.'

http://research.uiowa.edu/animal/?get=euthanasia

To be clear I absolutely agree that the head continue to be conscious for some time after. This is why it's probably not the most humane method. Everything I've found seems to say somewhere between 12 and 15 seconds tops. I prrsonally think thats an acceptable period of time ehen you consider the animal may go through days of pain otherwise. This makes sense with everything I've learned in A and P- that the brain is an energy hog and requires constant feeding to remain conscious. On top of that I've personally BEEN choked out in martial arts practice, so I know when LOC happens when blood can't get to the brain, lol. I didnt last 12 seconds myself, i feel like it was more like 7 or 8! Again though this satisfies me, that's just anecdotal information, and shouldn't be taken too seriously.
 
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Im not hunting threw all the reading out there but I will give you one.

Harold Hillman was awarded the 1997 Nobel Prize for Peace for his report "The Possible Pain Experienced During Execution by Different Methods."


The 1905 one was a french surgeon of some kind.
 
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Yep his study makes a guess at about 7 seconds. The french man claimed about 25 seconds. Others say more an even others say less. The fact that science agrees that they are awake is bad enough for me.
 

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