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Amazing story, thank you.
Amazing story, thank you.
Lamona Chicken Fanciers Thread
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Well, a friend wanted a few pullets just for layers. He wanted Buff Orpingtons. So I ordered 25 pullets from Ideal Poultry. Had them add 3 White Leghorn males just in case I need them this fall.
White Only White Leghorn
Male
Single Comb White Only White Leghorns variety must be specified if the chicks are to be used for reproduction of Single Comb White Leghorns; otherwise, some black spot chicks may be included. Of the purebreds, Single Comb White Leghorns lay the largest white eggs, lay at the highest rate and are the most efficient. Crosses involving this variety are the basis for most commercial white egg layers. A Single Comb White Leghorn cross is used as the female parent for the production of Ideal 236 chicks, which we recommend as Ideals best, most efficient white egg producer.
The mature weight of this cross is 4.5 pounds, which is heavier than most commercial white egg layers.
https://secuservices.com/ideal/newideal/selectproduct.aspx?qty=1&ID=WOWLM&Product=394
We will raise the pullets till 2 months and send 6 home. The rest we will raise as layers for us or sell as backyard layers for $20 each.
The White Leghorns we will raise and see what we have. We have been offered some of the Dan Young strain of White Leghorns to use as these were the strain used in developing the Lamonas.
A big thank you to all who have offered assistance in this project.
This week I purchased some foam egg shippers from http://southernfarmhatchery.com/Egg-Shipping-Foam.php and had them shipped directly to my friend that is shipping the Lamonas eggs. He has a few more dozen that they are letting me have. With the foam eggs shippers they should arrive safely. Or at least we hope.
Male
Single Comb White Only White Leghorns variety must be specified if the chicks are to be used for reproduction of Single Comb White Leghorns; otherwise, some black spot chicks may be included. Of the purebreds, Single Comb White Leghorns lay the largest white eggs, lay at the highest rate and are the most efficient. Crosses involving this variety are the basis for most commercial white egg layers. A Single Comb White Leghorn cross is used as the female parent for the production of Ideal 236 chicks, which we recommend as Ideals best, most efficient white egg producer.
The mature weight of this cross is 4.5 pounds, which is heavier than most commercial white egg layers.
https://secuservices.com/ideal/newideal/selectproduct.aspx?qty=1&ID=WOWLM&Product=394
We will raise the pullets till 2 months and send 6 home. The rest we will raise as layers for us or sell as backyard layers for $20 each.
The White Leghorns we will raise and see what we have. We have been offered some of the Dan Young strain of White Leghorns to use as these were the strain used in developing the Lamonas.
A big thank you to all who have offered assistance in this project.
This week I purchased some foam egg shippers from http://southernfarmhatchery.com/Egg-Shipping-Foam.php and had them shipped directly to my friend that is shipping the Lamonas eggs. He has a few more dozen that they are letting me have. With the foam eggs shippers they should arrive safely. Or at least we hope.
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Dan, Jim-
I have been hanging coop tags at The OHIO NATIONAL since 1975 and I do not recall of anything ever being exhibited that was entered as a Lamona.
Are there any judges out there that have ever seen one?
I also seem to recall talk years back of Lamonas being removed from the Standard, due to "extinction", but since they were accepted and could be recreated that idea was dropped.
Dan Young Leghorns? Didn't he die in the 30s?
Do you know that some strains of industrial white egg layers have colored flecks in the otherwise white plumage. And, that many of the males that are the fathers of the commercial white egg layers are a faint barred Columbian colored bird. Maybe Ideal is hyping something.
None of the large industrial poultry breeders refer to their white egg layers as Leghorns any more. Altough their ancestry is certainly White Leghorn. They wish for them to be identified with, usually, a company name. Hyline, Bovans, Shaver, ISA, etc.
Others-
I don't think that many realize that if you took any combination of chickens that were not Plymouth Rocks, as an example, and after many generations came up with a bird that meets the Standard specifications for a Plymouth Rock- well then it is a Plymouth Rock! Standard Bred (as in poultry) does not mean purebred in the traditional sense.
I have been hanging coop tags at The OHIO NATIONAL since 1975 and I do not recall of anything ever being exhibited that was entered as a Lamona.
Are there any judges out there that have ever seen one?
I also seem to recall talk years back of Lamonas being removed from the Standard, due to "extinction", but since they were accepted and could be recreated that idea was dropped.
Dan Young Leghorns? Didn't he die in the 30s?
Do you know that some strains of industrial white egg layers have colored flecks in the otherwise white plumage. And, that many of the males that are the fathers of the commercial white egg layers are a faint barred Columbian colored bird. Maybe Ideal is hyping something.
None of the large industrial poultry breeders refer to their white egg layers as Leghorns any more. Altough their ancestry is certainly White Leghorn. They wish for them to be identified with, usually, a company name. Hyline, Bovans, Shaver, ISA, etc.
Others-
I don't think that many realize that if you took any combination of chickens that were not Plymouth Rocks, as an example, and after many generations came up with a bird that meets the Standard specifications for a Plymouth Rock- well then it is a Plymouth Rock! Standard Bred (as in poultry) does not mean purebred in the traditional sense.
Personally I do not see what would be wrong about remaking Lamonas.Basically they are SC White Dorkings that have been outcrossed to a yellow skinned breed,to make a yellow legged White Dorking with four toes.The White Leghorn was added to boost egg laying,white egg and longer tails and longer legs.The White Rock for Red lobes, and size. Lamon used Silver Gray Dorking,maybe because they were a good strain for vigor and meat (Watson Westfall ),but the Silver Duckwing color gave some problems and pile markings appeared for years.Using White Dorkings would have helped the color problem.Lamon also selected red lobes and white eggs and it was not an easy thing,taking years to fix. However if some of the original Lamona blood is still around,it should be used as the main foundation in restoring them.
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Dan Young Leghorns? Didn't he die in the 30s?
I dont think he was making reference to Dan Young himself. I think he was making reference to a strain of birds still in existence today that can be directly traced in lineage to Dan Young's birds.
I dont think he was making reference to Dan Young himself. I think he was making reference to a strain of birds still in existence today that can be directly traced in lineage to Dan Young's birds.
Dan Young actually died in April 1944.I keep forgeting poultry history is irrelavent to most people and we cannot learn anything from the best breeders of the past. I do not advocate living in the past,but we will always be connected to it and I see nothing wrong with looking at the whole picture.I also like working with my own birds currently living.This topic relates to Lamonas in the realm of seeing what was originally used and why,in case the pieces have to be put back together again.I wrote back and forth to Marion Nash and Lonnie Miller when they were into reviving Lamonas.I do not know if either ever showed any.Lonnie did get them going but I do not know if anyone ever got any from him.Someone told me he worked for a hatchery and perhaps a disease outbrake did them in,but I do not know this for sure.
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Good to see you posting again Dan. I really do enjoy reading what you have to say. I agree with you on your comments about breeders of the past. Why try and reinvent the wheel when others have already had the experience of success and failure?
Have you had much success with your hatching this year?
Have you had much success with your hatching this year?
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Just found out that Marion Nash exhibited two or three Lamonas that he had recreated at The OHIO NATIONAL in the late 70s. Those were the last ones ever seen there. And if they are not at The OHIO NATIONAL . . . .
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Hurray! We have our first Lamona chick.
Hatched about 10:00 PM on 6/28/2011. It is white with yellow shanks, single comb and four toes on each foot.
Hatched about 10:00 PM on 6/28/2011. It is white with yellow shanks, single comb and four toes on each foot.
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I recall reading about Marion Nash's Lamonas in the Poultry Press and the SPPA newsletters.
I recall reading about Marion Nash's Lamonas in the Poultry Press and the SPPA newsletters.
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