Landrace/adaptive breeding discussion

Rhode Island Reds do not go broody, which seems like something you would want.

You might want to look into Icelandic chickens. My neighbor has them and loves them. They don't lay as many eggs as RIR or leghorns, but they do lay in winter. Extremely winter hardy, great foragers. I don't know if they typically kill mice, but my neighbor's chickens do.
I am trying to breed them with silkies who are too broody, to introduce that into the RIR and I am adding Brahma (Both Dark and Light) who also go broody but also most importantly to me... makes the birds larger (silkies will shrink the reds) but with the right balance I think you could get the 3 traits.
 
I haven’t caught up on this thread completely but I have been looking into landrace “breeds” (specifically Greenfire Farms because they’re relatively close to me) and they say on that site that some of these breeds should not be bred to others in order to keep them pure, etc. It seems like that kind of advice is for people looking to sell eggs or birds, not necessarily for someone using them as a foundation for their own flock. I have seen on this thread where people are breeding game birds with other game birds, etc and I also think @Shadrach’s advice in the beginning about not starting with hatchery birds is interesting. It’s too late for me to just start with imported landrace birds and that also doesn’t sound very economical. Or fun. But getting a few and letting them mingle with the ones I have doesn’t seem like a bad idea to me. Right now it’s just a pipe dream so I have time to plan.

Edit to say my question is would that be a good way to start my own free range flock.
 
I haven’t caught up on this thread completely but I have been looking into landrace “breeds” (specifically Greenfire Farms because they’re relatively close to me) and they say on that site that some of these breeds should not be bred to others in order to keep them pure, etc. It seems like that kind of advice is for people looking to sell eggs or birds, not necessarily for someone using them as a foundation for their own flock. I have seen on this thread where people are breeding game birds with other game birds, etc and I also think @Shadrach’s advice in the beginning about not starting with hatchery birds is interesting. It’s too late for me to just start with imported landrace birds and that also doesn’t sound very economical. Or fun. But getting a few and letting them mingle with the ones I have doesn’t seem like a bad idea to me. Right now it’s just a pipe dream so I have time to plan.

Edit to say my question is would that be a good way to start my own free range flock.
I see no problem with using landraces.

I do not have the time, space, resources or interest to maintain a static flock, so if I did not buy these birds for my own purpose their "cause" would not recieve any support from me at all.

Also, any attempt to keep biology static is a losing proposition. Like it or not, these birds bear only a physical resemblance to their ancestors, if that.
 
I see no problem with using landraces.

I do not have the time, space, resources or interest to maintain a static flock, so if I did not buy these birds for my own purpose their "cause" would not recieve any support from me at all.

Also, any attempt to keep biology static is a losing proposition. Like it or not, these birds bear only a physical resemblance to their ancestors, if that.
Interesting point. Since their physical characteristics aren’t important to me except with respect to camouflage maybe game birds would be a better foundation.
 
I have been looking into landrace “breeds” (specifically Greenfire Farms because they’re relatively close to me) and they say on that site that some of these breeds should not be bred to others in order to keep them pure
This is truly a ridiculous concept, like ancient Egyptian Pharaohs keeping their bloodlines "pure" by marrying brother to sister. Greenfire Farms sells Barbu du Watermaal, a breed produced through extreme inbreeding just like the pharaohs of old, and of course they have absolutely horrendous health problems. Every single time I've seen someone post about this breed on BYC it's about them dying some horrible, premature death. From my perspective it looks like less "purity" would be far more compassionate to the breed
 
This is truly a ridiculous concept, like ancient Egyptian Pharaohs keeping their bloodlines "pure" by marrying brother to sister. Greenfire Farms sells Barbu du Watermaal, a breed produced through extreme inbreeding just like the pharaohs of old, and of course they have absolutely horrendous health problems. Every single time I've seen someone post about this breed on BYC it's about them dying some horrible, premature death. From my perspective it looks like less "purity" would be far more compassionate to the breed
I was looking at Swedish Flowers since I can get those much more locally. i think the breed Greenfire Farms specifically said this about were Icelandics “Due to their varying appearance it may cross your mind that you can easily cross-breed them with another breed however, don’t do that. Even if some of the birds share a resemblance, the Icelandic should never be cross bred. The purity of the Icelandic breed is imperative to maintaining the genetic integrity of the breed”

So maybe it’s not applicable to all the landraces they carry. They also say “there is a high level of genetic diversity within the breed.” I am not sure any of this matter unless one is planning on selling birds or eggs and even then it only matters in so much as not selling as Icelandic something that is a mixed and a couple generations removed from the original stock.
 
“Due to their varying appearance it may cross your mind that you can easily cross-breed them with another breed however, don’t do that. Even if some of the birds share a resemblance, the Icelandic should never be cross bred. The purity of the Icelandic breed is imperative to maintaining the genetic integrity of the breed”
The wording is ambiguous. I would guess that this is advice specifically for breeders who might be tempted to add in another breed with a similar appearance in order to increase genetic diversity.
 
The wording is ambiguous. I would guess that this is advice specifically for breeders who might be tempted to add in another breed with a similar appearance in order to increase genetic diversity.
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Greenfire has some nice birds and some rare ones. But they may also have an agenda about purity of their birds. This is pure speculation but the person writing that may be more concerned about maintaining purity of the breed than other hatcheries or people would be. They may assume anyone buying their birds have similar goals. That's not uncommon. You see that all the time on this forum.
 
I was looking at Swedish Flowers since I can get those much more locally. i think the breed Greenfire Farms specifically said this about were Icelandics “Due to their varying appearance it may cross your mind that you can easily cross-breed them with another breed however, don’t do that. Even if some of the birds share a resemblance, the Icelandic should never be cross bred. The purity of the Icelandic breed is imperative to maintaining the genetic integrity of the breed”

So maybe it’s not applicable to all the landraces they carry. They also say “there is a high level of genetic diversity within the breed.” I am not sure any of this matter unless one is planning on selling birds or eggs and even then it only matters in so much as not selling as Icelandic something that is a mixed and a couple generations removed from the original stock.
Right. It’s an issue in the field of conservation biology, in trying to rescue breeds of animals (or plants) with dwindling numbers. Keeping them genetically distinct (“pure”) requires breeding strictly within the species or subspecies. In zoos, this involves such things as flying frozen elephant semen to the other side of the world to catch a female about to enter estrus. But genetic biodiversity invariably decreases over time, weakening the breed. It postpones extinction, but it doesn’t escape it.

In the specific case of Greenfield Farms, I think that they are trying to re-establish a strain of landrace chickens threatened with extinction. So no one would bother doing this with Barred Rocks, for instance, unless they were breeding for the SOP or something, instead of for survival.
 
I was looking at Swedish Flowers since I can get those much more locally. i think the breed Greenfire Farms specifically said this about were Icelandics “Due to their varying appearance it may cross your mind that you can easily cross-breed them with another breed however, don’t do that. Even if some of the birds share a resemblance, the Icelandic should never be cross bred. The purity of the Icelandic breed is imperative to maintaining the genetic integrity of the breed”
Landraces aren't breeds to begin with. A breed is a deliberate human creation typically made through some degree of inbreeding and high amounts of artificial selection. A landrace on the other hand is a feral animal that nature has recrafted through the process of natural selection. They typically have a lot of genetic diversity because that's what it takes to actually survive out in nature
So maybe it’s not applicable to all the landraces they carry. They also say “there is a high level of genetic diversity within the breed.”
It's ironic because the more any breed or landrace is preserved, the less genetic diversity it will continue to have, until one day the entire breed is a clump of highly inbred relatives
Also, any attempt to keep biology static is a losing proposition. Like it or not, these birds bear only a physical resemblance to their ancestors, if that.
Genetic biodiversity invariably decreases over time, weakening the breed. It postpones extinction, but it doesn’t escape it.
Absolutely correct. This is also why mutts are healthier than pure breeds. Because they don't have conservationists continually inbreeding them
"The German Shepherd Dog is also a breed that is routinely mentioned when people talk about ruined breeds. In Dogs of All Nations, the GSD is described as a medium-sized dog (25 kg /55 lb), this is a far cry from the angulated, barrel-chested, sloping back, ataxic, 85-pounders (38 kg) we are used to seeing in the conformation ring. There was a time when the GSD could clear a 2.5 meter (8.5 ft) wall; that time is long gone."
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