Langshan Thread!!!

[tilosi]

It's possible they are siblings? You can still breed them together. Just watch for odd traits. I had to do that for 8 years and only recently started having problems. I now have some new blood from the same line to help with the fertility and genetic issues.

Unfortunately, I've found that earlobes can change alot. I have some birds that show white in the earlobes until sexual maturity and then show red without any enamel white. I believe it is from the white skin causing the earlobes to appear white until they completely reach sexual maturity.

Of the chicks, grow out all the ones that do not appear to have any red on them(you may see a tinge of red on down feathers as chicks or brown color. I would either sell these immediately or just use them in a pet/food flock). Only the ones without red and the least amount of enamel white in their earlobes should be used. Usually, about 6+ months, you'll be able to tell if they have white in their earlobes.

You can breed the chicks together, or breed back to the mother. Since the father shows both faults of the white earlobes and red, I wouldn't breed back to him if you have chicks that are without the red leakage and white enamel as it will only set you back.

Wow, you are really helping me out. What other genetic issues should I be looking for? I know there are probably many and you have plenty to do aside from schooling me. I really wish that my roo didn't have the earlobe deal...I am really loving this breed. My hen is laying 6 days a week....it would be nice to have a good daddy to really get the most of those eggs. What do you think of him x RIR and Red Stars (Standards)? Will the eggs show a difference, if fertile and will the chicks become a medium bird with his nice looks and all the egg laying? Do you think I will have trouble selling any of the chicks?
I'm sooo excited....today is lockdown day for 5 of the 10 eggs!! Can't wait to see this process....it amazes me!!
Thank you so much for helping me. I will be following your advice.

 

[rodriguezpoultry]

It's honestly no problem! I will share what I know for sure, and might even share something I can take an educated guess at! We all have to learn at some point. I was lucky that I had a dear friend who taught me what he could at the time. The Langshan breeders are one of the most friendly and helpful bunch I've ever met.

If you're wanting to show the offspring, another thing you can look for is a darker eye color and the comb should have five points. I'm not sure how much you know about combs, so I'm gonna go basic on it. The comb of a Langshan should be single, like your male and female's combs. See the serrated part that kind of looks like an upside down bread knife? That's the points. There should be five points. Sometimes, there are "side sprigs" or points that start shooting off of the side of the comb. You should breed against that. Don't use the birds that show side-sprigs in your program. You can sometimes tell it on chicks when they hatch out, but sometimes it doesn't show up until the comb starts to get larger.

Since we don't exactly know the background on your birds, let's assume it's a mix (it might not be...he has good type if he is!). If he is a mix with a yellow-skinned bird, like the Leghorn you assumed, the first generation will show the white skinned traits as white skin is dominant to yellow. In the next generation, the yellow skinned chicks might show up. You can tell these when they hatch out with yellow legs and a yellow beak. Langshan chicks hatch out with black legs and some white/pink color on their toes. No yellow on them at all.

 

[rodriguezpoultry]

What do you think of him x RIR and Red Stars (Standards)? Will the eggs show a difference, if fertile and will the chicks become a medium bird with his nice looks and all the egg laying? Do you think I will have trouble selling any of the chicks?
I'm sooo excited....today is lockdown day for 5 of the 10 eggs!! Can't wait to see this process....it amazes me!!
Thank you so much for helping me. I will be following your advice.

Just realized I didn't address this!

I can only speak for my LF on this one, as I haven't crossbred my bantams. The LF (largefowl), when bred to a different breed tend to give the mixed chick the majority of their genes. You will see more Langshan characteristics than the other breed. You may see different colors, but the body style, feathered legs, white skin, and even their broodiness tends to be passed on. I can't imagine there would be much difference in the bantams.

BUT, seeing as how you will be breeding the bantam male to the larger females, I would be looking for birds that are slightly larger than their father. The egg-laying will probably be better than the Langshan bantams since your larger females are bred for egg-laying abilities. You may have birds that go broody (Lord knows my LF have broodiness ingrained!) You'll probably wind up with birds that have red leakage or even more red than he has along with some black coloration and feathered legs. The eyes will probably be a more bay/yellow color. The skin color should be white, but if he is a mixed breed it may vary. The egg color will probably be a little lighter than what you are getting now, but the egg size should be similar to your sex-links and RIR.

As for selling the chicks...I have no idea! I couldn't sell my nearly grown pullets for $5! Just before a swap, I had a lady buy them all AND a cockerel! Who knew? Chicks tend to sell easier, so if you have any you immediately don't want, list them!!

 

[rodriguezpoultry]

Going to hold this offer for now! Got several that are wanting eggs and want to fill their orders before I add on more! Thank you all for your interest!

Hello guys!

I've decided to go ahead and sell a few dozen blue and black LARGEFOWL Langshan eggs. I'm waiting to hear back from someone who was first on the list, but after her of if she decides she doesn't need them now, I will have some for sale!

The males are black.

The females are blue, splash and black. I would like to get $40 per dozen. That includes the shipping. I wrap each egg in bubble wrap. I only ship on Mondays (to make sure they get there) and I will package any eggs laid within that week. I am getting about 2 to 4 eggs per day from their pens.

Please let me know if you are interested!

Here are some photos!





These are photos of some of the actual breeder birds that you will receive eggs from.

 

[tilosi]

It's honestly no problem! I will share what I know for sure, and might even share something I can take an educated guess at! We all have to learn at some point. I was lucky that I had a dear friend who taught me what he could at the time. The Langshan breeders are one of the most friendly and helpful bunch I've ever met.

If you're wanting to show the offspring, another thing you can look for is a darker eye color and the comb should have five points. I'm not sure how much you know about combs, so I'm gonna go basic on it. The comb of a Langshan should be single, like your male and female's combs. See the serrated part that kind of looks like an upside down bread knife? That's the points. There should be five points. Sometimes, there are "side sprigs" or points that start shooting off of the side of the comb. You should breed against that. Don't use the birds that show side-sprigs in your program. You can sometimes tell it on chicks when they hatch out, but sometimes it doesn't show up until the comb starts to get larger.

Since we don't exactly know the background on your birds, let's assume it's a mix (it might not be...he has good type if he is!). If he is a mix with a yellow-skinned bird, like the Leghorn you assumed, the first generation will show the white skinned traits as white skin is dominant to yellow. In the next generation, the yellow skinned chicks might show up. You can tell these when they hatch out with yellow legs and a yellow beak. Langshan chicks hatch out with black legs and some white/pink color on their toes. No yellow on them at all.

Thank you.....ok, so I've been very busy the last few days....my son and I now have 5 new chicks!! They just hatched out yesterday. I do believe they are fully Langshan....no white skin, all have black w/pink legs and feet, and all have feathered legs and outer toes, I think one or two may have half the middle toe, also. I can't tell about the comb, earlobes, and can't tell about any brown, but some are more black, some have a less jet black. And, they came out pecking each other's beak--is this because of the tooth? They are so fiesty!!
How often do your banties lay? My hen is laying 5-6 days a week. She is like a laying machine!!
I'm about to post some pics I took today to see what you and others think.

 

[tilosi]

Hi all...just wanted to share some pics of my chicks that hatched out yesterday. I would really love your thoughts, so far.

some of them you can see to their skin and see a little pink....their down is a little thin


this one's toes are fine...guess they got curled in my hand


We have 5 more due to hatch next week.
I am partial, so I think they are so cute!!

 

[rodriguezpoultry]

Yours do look a little different than mine do at hatch. They eyes are a little light in color and the foot feathering on the next to last picture of that chick is very, very heavy. That may go away. You want moderately feathered outer legs and no feathering on the middle toe. Sometimes the down makes it look like it will be more heavily feathered than it will be when grown.


This chick, by far, looks the most like my own birds. It also seems to have a much more "clean" black. I would keep an eye on it or mark it somehow (toenail polish works for a short while!) to reference it later on down the line! It may be a good future breeder for you!

No matter how chicks look, they are ALWAYS adorable! Congrats!

As for the laying, mine are giving me about 5 per week. They're really starting to slow down though. I think the heat and molting is getting ready to hit.

 

[rodriguezpoultry]

My dear, sweet friend has passed away.

Forrest, I don't have the words to say what I have always wanted to. I thank God every day that I was fortunate enough to meet you at the Nationals in Claremore, OK that day. Otherwise, I never would have known. You tsked me until I finally got some good birds. Then, you showed me how to choose which birds were what I needed and which birds I should "make into soup". You taught me how to "lift" the coops to keep the males from having their tails torn up and laughed when they wound up molting during the show anyway!

You didn't just teach me about birds. You taught me how to turn the other cheek. When others criticized you and even called you a fool, I was always amazed at how you simply turned around and struck them dumb by your wit and your proof of knowledge. You were a great showman for both the fancy and the breed. I know we would all like to thank you for what you have not only done for the breed, but for the poultry show world everywhere. You will always be a legend to me.

Thank you, my dear friend, mentor, and my hero.


Rest in Peace Forrest,

Mikaela

http://www.mmsfuneralhomes.com/obituaries/Forrest-Beauford/

 

[tilosi]

This chick, by far, looks the most like my own birds. It also seems to have a much more "clean" black. I would keep an eye on it or mark it somehow (toenail polish works for a short while!) to reference it later on down the line! It may be a good future breeder for you!

which one are you talking about? I can't tell...lol

 

[tilosi]

My dear, sweet friend has passed away.

Forrest, I don't have the words to say what I have always wanted to. I thank God every day that I was fortunate enough to meet you at the Nationals in Claremore, OK that day. Otherwise, I never would have known. You tsked me until I finally got some good birds. Then, you showed me how to choose which birds were what I needed and which birds I should "make into soup". You taught me how to "lift" the coops to keep the males from having their tails torn up and laughed when they wound up molting during the show anyway!

You didn't just teach me about birds. You taught me how to turn the other cheek. When others criticized you and even called you a fool, I was always amazed at how you simply turned around and struck them dumb by your wit and your proof of knowledge. You were a great showman for both the fancy and the breed. I know we would all like to thank you for what you have not only done for the breed, but for the poultry show world everywhere. You will always be a legend to me.

Thank you, my dear friend, mentor, and my hero.


Rest in Peace Forrest,

Mikaela

http://www.mmsfuneralhomes.com/obituaries/Forrest-Beauford/

I'm sorry for your loss.
Blessings.