Large irregular air sac?????? Help!!!!!!! Would like peoples thoughts on this.

[dandydoodle]

At day 19 you need patience yet

Tomorrow night start hoping for pips. At least with the rocking you know somebody is home.

I usually figure on 60%+ roosters with hatched eggs, for some reason they seem to hatch better, or maybe that is just because I want girls usually. Local eggs should work a lot better than shipped.

Fingers crossed for everybody.

Yea, I know. The only reason I got shipped eggs is I can't find the breeds I am wanting locally. I would be perfectly happy with a roo, that is actually what I need. I was hoping for a girl or two also but, I will be happy if I can at least get one boy. I am getting worried because, I am not seeing any rocking not even with the one with the good air cell.

Usually with my incubator I get pips on day 18 and 19. So I am getting a little nervous. The only other time I had an egg with a bad air cell they were rocking on day 19 then died that night and then I was kicking myself for not doing something. I hope that is not the case here.

I am trying to be patient that is why I haven't done anything. I just hope I am making the right decision by waiting.

 

[dandydoodle]

I am getting nervous. Yesterday there was lots of rocking and today nothing, nada, zip. No pips and no rocking.

Please send good thoughts my way for a good hatch.

 

[Kelsie2290]

When they get where they want to be, they should stop rocking and work on pipping internally, with any luck that is what they are doing.

Are you saying you expect them to pip/hatch on days 18 & 19? These are standard eggs? If you are seeing hatches that early, you have some sort of too-high temperature problem. You really should not be seeing pips/hatches consistently that early.

 

[dandydoodle]

When they get where they want to be, they should stop rocking and work on pipping internally, with any luck that is what they are doing.

Are you saying you expect them to pip/hatch on days 18 & 19? These are standard eggs? If you are seeing hatches that early, you have some sort of too-high temperature problem. You really should not be seeing pips/hatches consistently that early.

I hope you are right maybe, they are working on the inside. Yep in the past they usually start at day 18 or 19. With a pip or two and then it takes a couple of days for everyone to hatch out. Yes these are Large Fowl. Most of my birds are Large Fowl.

 

[dandydoodle]

I couldn't help it. I am worried because, I don't see any movement. So I took each of the eggs out wrapped in a wet napkin to listen to the eggs. I don't hear any tapping or anything. Should I intervene? I am afraid it might be to late.

 

[Kelsie2290]

Boy, I don't know what I would do. Did you just listen to them or did you try to candle to see if you could see movement or where they were? I can't seem to hear them pipping, but can sometimes see it or at least movement on candling. Usually I would counsel patience at day 19, since that is early even for pipping and I would not be expecting them to hatch for at least another day, and wouldn't be doing anything until later on day 20 unless I saw something that needed fixed on candling. If you had more than three I would suggest sacrificing one of the bad looking eggs, so you could see what was going on. I am really wondering if yours are developing at too high a temperature and trying to hatch early. If this is the case there may not really be anything you can do since the chicks have not had enough time to develop properly to be viable.

 

[dandydoodle]

Boy, I don't know what I would do. Did you just listen to them or did you try to candle to see if you could see movement or where they were? I can't seem to hear them pipping, but can sometimes see it or at least movement on candling. Usually I would counsel patience at day 19, since that is early even for pipping and I would not be expecting them to hatch for at least another day, and wouldn't be doing anything until later on day 20 unless I saw something that needed fixed on candling. If you had more than three I would suggest sacrificing one of the bad looking eggs, so you could see what was going on. I am really wondering if yours are developing at too high a temperature and trying to hatch early. If this is the case there may not really be anything you can do since the chicks have not had enough time to develop properly to be viable.

Well I did candle and I saw that one was pipped through the internal membrane but, was not making any chirping noises or trying to pip. I don't think they can pip. I think because, of the size of the huge air sac they are pretty much pinned to the bottom. I don't think the other two can even move enough to pip the internal membrane. I open the air cell on two of them. The one that looked like it had a descent air cell and one of the others. The one that had looked like it had a descent air cell had pipped the internal membrane but, wasn't doing anything else no chipping or anything. It is alive but, I think it is REALLY weak. The other one was alive but hadn't pipped through the internal membrane. I really don't think it can it is smushed down in the bottom of the egg. I am not sure I did the right thing with that one. I opened the top but did not open the internal membrane around the beak. I got scared because, there is still a lot of veins in the membrane but, I am not sure if it can breath through that membrane or not with out a pip. Anyway I am afraid that one might be dead when I get in there from suffocating because, I was to scared to pip.

Honestly I don't think any of them are gonna make it. I think there might be more wrong with them then a huge air cell because, usually when babies internally pip they start chipping. There has been none of that. I think these babies are really weak for some reason and what I have read the chipping is needed to help the yolk sac go into their tummy and help get the blood supply to the internal membrane to stop. If they don't perk up I just don't foresee a good out come here. I will do everything I can but, I believe this one might be out of my hands.

 

[bugglesmommy]

All you can do is do what you can. Whatever happens it's not your fault. Sometimes chicks just don't make it.

 

[Kelsie2290]

I am sorry, I think it is pretty much out of your hands. There is no way you can deal with shrinking the veins, the chicks need to do that themselves as part of the developing/ hatching with all the moving around. If they are too early/small/weak/underdeveloped to do that, you are pretty much stuck. The one with the smaller air cell at least might still have a chance, the other ones are probably not going to be developed enough internally to make it.

 

[dandydoodle]

All you can do is do what you can. Whatever happens it's not your fault. Sometimes chicks just don't make it.

Yea, I knew from candling are chances might be slim to none. They are still alive and I am letting them rest in their eggs. I am hoping if I leave well enough alone they will absorb what they need to absorb and get stronger. Still not hearing chirping, only really chirp when I mess with them and even then not much. Better then yesterday I guess. Yesterday the there was no cheeping at all. I opened the last one but, I have not made a hole for the beak yet in the inner membrane. It is in a very bad position and I don't know if I can even get to its beak so there may be no hope for that little one. He was back up with his beak down towards the bottom of the egg where I would think his yolk sac would be. I could probably get to his head but at the angle its in I don't think I could pull it up to wear it can breath. I am gonna look up the malpositions that are on the article someone put on here and see if there is anything that can help me.