Lavender Orpington project ....

[HallFamilyFarm]

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The Blue gene is very different than the lav gene. Using a black to improve type is best. Using a blue would add genes that may interfer or complicate the lav gene.

 

[jeremy]

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This is not true.

You can use a Blue Orp with great type to improve a Lav project just as you would a Black Orp.

What genes are you referring to that Blue birds carry that would complicate producing quality Lavender birds?

Care to share that knowledge and evidence to support your claim?

 

[galanie]

I want to thank most of you. I felt sure that in spite of the bad wording you knew what I meant, and it appears that the majority of you did.

 

[galanie]

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As soon as I have some, you'll be tops on my list!

 

[lildinkem]

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This is not true.

You can use a Blue Orp with great type to improve a Lav project just as you would a Black Orp.

What genes are you referring to that Blue birds carry that would complicate producing quality Lavender birds?

Care to share that knowledge and evidence to support your claim?

I agree with you Jeremy. The only difficulty in using a Blue instead of Black is telling what you have when their very young. Where with Blacks you know if it is a Black split. With Blues you also can have a split. But have to wait much longer to know is this a split? IF you have an outstanding bird who happens to be a Blue I say use em! Grow out the offspring and then decide. Go for it Jeremy!

 

[wilds of pa]

Stick with good blacks when crossing to lavender..it is the best bet..

lav bred to blue Andalusian
things that might affect you down the road when breeding for *pure lav orpington*
visual blue Andalusian has or can bring the 'Pg' (Pattern gene)?
There are many genes that darken or lighten the blue color; this includes factors causing "smut or mossiness" in the otherwise pure blue areas of the feathers. It might be said that "Blue" is actually "Black Laced Blue".
The Andalusian blue gene, when homozygous , creates "Splash" or "Blue Splash" feathers. These birds are muddy or bluish white with occasional, randomly "splashed", black feathers. A variant to the Andalusian Blue has feathers edged in "Dark Blue instead of Black"

 

[HallFamilyFarm]

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The Master has spoken!

 

[wilds of pa]

Jim you learn from experience, after been working on two lav projects for the past few years (lavender orpingtons and lavender araucana), IMO you really don't need to bring more problems to the table with adding or should i say using Andalusian blue in your breeding pens.

Using black alone still has its challenges. But black is surely the best to use.

Andalusian blue and splash, then think of your "visual lav breeder as a black" and try to imagine the out come of these breedings in the next future generation(2nd and 3rd etc) except in lavender with the added and or different things you might see..from breeding black, blue, splash outcomes.. sounds like a added nightmare to me..i will tell you I'm glad where we are at now on our lavenders i wouldn't want to start over again after these past few years..
our 5 gen lavender araucana have just begun to lay, soon time to fire up the bators and keep the ball rolling and onto 6th gen's. watch for a article in the blue clucker(Araucana club of America) this coming year 2012 on how the project started and how its coming along..

think of your "good visual lavender breeder as black" then add the lav gene to each of these below, what will the mess be and how will one know what is what and who got what gene (%) in future generations down the road....???? When one culls from these breeding, will one kill the unwanted or unexpected or sell it as something else to a unsuspecting buyer down the road..?

Black x Blue =
Blue x Blue =
Splash x Black =
Splash x Blue =
Splash x Splash =

 

[jeremy]

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The Master has spoken!

I still don't buy it.

I have to get ready for work, but I will be online later to explain why.

 

[wilds of pa]

Hi Jeremy, nobody is asking anyone to buy it.. its merely facts on breeding as to what most breeders already know.

lets look at how black, blue and splash are bred sounds simple, not so true esp with blue and there patterns, some are good and some so not.. splash lots a verities and then bad blacks plus leaky colors in all possible..

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then try to factor in the lav gene. results will vary with alot of unknowing in your large amounts of culls est 75% to 80% plus whats not known in your keepers until re-bred. red thats not seen will be sure to also creep out, like some blues hide as well maybe even some splash do to, that most do not talk about or show from there breedings but that possibility is there and may haunt some breeders...

Breeding good known blacks apa or uk type and further generation lav's from known progeny are much more predictable is all I'm saying when 100% lavender is the only goal at hand..and is the simplest way to go with less headaches and unpredictability's..

but those that have years and years and lots and lots of breeder pens can try to work those issues out if ones so choose to do so..

we on the other hand are to far into what we've been doing to deviate from our course, which is good blacks to Good lavs and our long journey to our destination will be coming to a close within the next year and a half..

heres something way different.. how about if one doesn't have black orpingtons but has blue Andalusian orps and wants to breed them to lets say a choc orps. wonder what the thoughts on that might be with the only goal of choc in mind. much different scenario but makes one wonder about that..