Lavender Orpington project ....

[lildinkem]

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The Master has spoken!

I still don't buy it.

I have to get ready for work, but I will be online later to explain why.

I go by what Harry told me. He said you can use the Blue. Harry was the one who made the Lavender color available by getting Lav EE's from a lady here in Fort Wayne Indiana 5 or 6 years ago. He has been breeding them the longest. That is why many Lavs have an Ameraucana look to them. I am very good friends with Harry. Harry knows best, in my opinion.

 

[Goose and Fig]

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I still don't buy it.

I have to get ready for work, but I will be online later to explain why.

I go by what Harry told me. He said you can use the Blue. Harry was the one who made the Lavender color available by getting Lav EE's from a lady here in Fort Wayne Indiana 5 or 6 years ago. He has been breeding them the longest. That is why many Lavs have an Ameraucana look to them. I am very good friends with Harry. Harry knows best, in my opinion.

From what I understood, and I feel like I am repeating myself, using blue will not hurt a lav project. BUT if you don't keep track of your splits it could mess up a BBS flock.

I am also one of Harry's biggest fans

 

[lildinkem]

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I go by what Harry told me. He said you can use the Blue. Harry was the one who made the Lavender color available by getting Lav EE's from a lady here in Fort Wayne Indiana 5 or 6 years ago. He has been breeding them the longest. That is why many Lavs have an Ameraucana look to them. I am very good friends with Harry. Harry knows best, in my opinion.

From what I understood, and I feel like I am repeating myself, using blue will not hurt a lav project. BUT if you don't keep track of your splits it could mess up a BBS flock.

I am also one of Harry's biggest fans

I agree! IF you use a toe punch and careully keep your Lav siblings away from the BBS flock you will be okay.

 

[wilds of pa]

were they came from thats long in the past, one needs to get over it and focus on the future of them...its were they are headed and making the best in the end..

lildinkem then follow his advice and go forward with what you are told to do and use your toe Punch's or what have you..

We know what works best here and do so to improve the lav orpingtons not to further complicate them.

BUT if you don't keep track of your splits it could mess up a BBS flock.

which most will not or dont know whats what..​

 

[lildinkem]

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which most will not or dont know whats what..

Some, like Jeremy, may not have any other choice. I am not 100% positive, but I believe Jeremy does not have any Blacks to use if he chooses to go to a Lav. OR the very best Orp he has, type wise, is his Blues.
I do also think my BBS choice maybe to use a Blue. That Blue Cuckoo was made, like I always like to do, with the bottom of my BBS barrel. And I was surprised how nice he is developing.
But I am leaning to using my Blue hens here in mid season to the Lav cock.
These 2 daughters from the Bamma cock I had are my first choices.

Forgot to add, at most all APA shows you can buy a toe punch. Toe punches are use to make a hole in between the toes as a way to identify your birds heredity. Use GOOGLE to those who may not know and read up on it. Many of the best breeders I know use them. Breeders like Doug have several different lines. And like as mentioned it is easy to mix up your birds. With a toe punch system this will take away the opportunity of screwing up your flock. JUst keep good notes of what toes are punched for each different line.

 

[lagunitas]

Holy genetics. That's why I was wondering why not breed an English Lav Orp into the Lav Orp project. If the color is there then all you have to do is breed for type, right?

 

[Goose and Fig]

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If I had English Lav orps I would just keep them as English-type lav orps. If you have some nice American- type blacks and an extra roo, it wouldn't hurt to start an offshoot project. Just keep them seperated so you can keep track of thier lineage.

 

[wilds of pa]

if thats what one must do (using blue Andalusian) then i guess you are in for the long haul, because that is about what one is headed for.

For us when we started, black was our only thought to breed to lavender and so we choose to follow that course.

facts: black is the best known choice to breed to lavender, we didn't wright that but the folks from the early days many years ago did, you can find those answer in many books today about breeding lav...

 

[lildinkem]

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You do what works for you. That is what is fun about projects. It isn't how we get there as long as we get there. What I was told is "TYPE" is always the first trait to breed for. After you establish "TYPE" then work on the color.
like you said it is a long haul to get this color predictable and with great type. I expect many who just like the color will not worry about adding to their flock. IF I had Jeremy's flock and wanted to bred in some type, I would not hesitate using his Blues.

 

[Tuffoldhen]

Using Blue you are in for a huge mess down the line unless you keep excellent records. If I would start the lavender project now and buy eggs I would want it stated what type/color of Orpington was used in the making. I've done my homework!