Lavender Orpington- Shredder gene- breeding

[The Moonshiner]

Blue is totally different then lavender but theyre both dilute genes.
Yes there are blacks and blues in Orps. The bird in the last pic looks like a blue. The others are lavender. Lavender should be lavender on a black bird. Your really light one(s) are lavender on a blue bird. That's why theyre so light. You have lavender and blue both diluting the same bird.

 

[Jennc-123]

Blue is totally different then lavender but theyre both dilute genes.
Yes there are blacks and blues in Orps. The bird in the last pic looks like a blue. The others are lavender. Lavender should be lavender on a black bird. Your really light one(s) are lavender on a blue bird. That's why theyre so light. You have lavender and blue both diluting the same bird.

You know a lot about genetics. I am very curious why lavender doesn't work with blue. (I also find the blue, black splash formula fascinating) I don't mean to hijack the thread, but chicken calculators are above my current skill level.

 

[The Moonshiner]

What do you mean "doesn't work with blue"
Blue and lavender are different genes. The are both dilute genes but work differently.
They don't work togethed because they are different genes.
They can work together in the sense that they can both be present one the same bird and both will add dilution.
Her darkest bird is the darkest because it has blue but not lavender so its getting diluted by the blue gene only.
Her middle birds are lavender so theyre getting the diluting effects of those genes.
Her lightest birds are blue and lavender so theyre getting diluted more because they have two different kinds of dilute genes diluting them.

 

[Jennc-123]

Thanks, they're just such similar colours it seems like they should breed well together. But different genes makes sense. Chicken genetics fascinates me, I'm sure I will spend the rest of my life reading up on the subject.

 

[Amer]

Blue is totally different then lavender but theyre both dilute genes.
Yes there are blacks and blues in Orps. The bird in the last pic looks like a blue. The others are lavender. Lavender should be lavender on a black bird. Your really light one(s) are lavender on a blue bird. That's why theyre so light. You have lavender and blue both diluting the same bird.

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The darkest one is actually a light blue, and the lighter ones are lavender blue, meaning they have the lavender and blue dilutions. Only one bird, the darkest one with shredded feathering, is actually lavender.

 

[Minky]

Blue is totally different then lavender but theyre both dilute genes.
Yes there are blacks and blues in Orps. The bird in the last pic looks like a blue. The others are lavender. Lavender should be lavender on a black bird. Your really light one(s) are lavender on a blue bird. That's why theyre so light. You have lavender and blue both diluting the same bird.

Genetics are really fascinating! Thanks for that explanation. So if I breed these 3 birds with my Lav rooster, I will get an assortment of chicks displaying colours I have (the Lav/blue, Lav, and blue) ??
Lav + lav = lav
Lav+ lav/blue (the whitish bird)= ?
Lav+ blue = ?

Any way to fix the shredded feathers (although I think they are really neat)?????

 

[Minky]

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The darkest one is actually a light blue, and the lighter ones are lavender blue, meaning they have the lavender and blue dilutions. Only one bird, the darkest one with shredded feathering, is actually lavender.

how would I breed my light blue orpington (my darkest one) to get her darker? I love the look of the blue orpington. never seen them before now. like the dark hackle.
And what would di get if I bred these bird to a black (non orpington)? I have some jet black Marans. what colour would the chicks be?

 

[Minky]

And if I used my lavender orpington rooster (who appears to be Lav, not Lav/blue) to mate with black or red Easter egger hens- would the result be some chicks would be lavender or "straw" ? Or am I way over simplifying.
Should I avoid breeding him to anyone other than lavender chicks?

 

[Amer]

Genetics are really fascinating! Thanks for that explanation. So if I breed these 3 birds with my Lav rooster, I will get an assortment of chicks displaying colours I have (the Lav/blue, Lav, and blue) ??
Lav + lav = lav
Lav+ lav/blue (the whitish bird)= ?
Lav+ blue = ?

Any way to fix the shredded feathers (although I think they are really neat)?????

Lav+lav/blue= 50 percent Lav, 50 percent Lav/blue
Lav+blue = 50 percent black and 50 percent blue unless the blue carries lavender. Then 25 percent black, 25 percent blue, 25 percent lavender, 25 percent lavender blue.

how would I breed my light blue orpington (my darkest one) to get her darker? I love the look of the blue orpington. never seen them before now. like the dark hackle.
And what would di get if I bred these bird to a black (non orpington)? I have some jet black Marans. what colour would the chicks be?

Breed her to a black cock. You’ll get 50 percent black and 50 percent blue. Theoretically, the blue will be darker.

And if I used my lavender orpington rooster (who appears to be Lav, not Lav/blue) to mate with black or red Easter egger hens- would the result be some chicks would be lavender or "straw" ? Or am I way over simplifying.
Should I avoid breeding him to anyone other than lavender chicks?

That will produce blacks and blacks with leakage.
If you want lavender chicks, I would just breed him to lavender hens.

 

[Minky]

Lav+lav/blue= 50 percent Lav, 50 percent Lav/blue
Lav+blue = 50 percent black and 50 percent blue UNLESS the blue carries lavender. Then 25 percent black, 25 percent blue, 25 percent lavender, 25 percent lavender blue.

Can I use one of these black chicks (if I get one) to OUTCROSS or CROSS BACK to remove the shredder gene?