leg band fell off and I don't know what breed this is?

[floridapoultry]

The following is quoted from the government website with link provided:

http://www.aphis.usda.gov/import_export/animals/poultry_eggs.shtml

"Poultry hatching eggs imported from countries not designated as free of END
In addition to the required veterinary health certificate and USDA import permit, importation of hatching eggs from countries not designated by the USDA to be free of END are restricted as follows:
• Eggs must be transported from the port of entry to the hatchery in a vehicle sealed by the USDA.
• Eggs must be hatched and brooded under the supervision of the Area Veterinarian in Charge (AVIC) in the State of destination. The hatchery must meet certain biosecurity standards and be inspected and approved by the AVIC prior to issuance of the import permit.
• The poultry from such eggs must remain in quarantine for not less than 30 days following hatch.
• During quarantine, the hatching eggs and poultry from such eggs are subject to any inspections, disinfections, and diagnostic testing as may be required by the USDA to determine their freedom from communicable diseases of poultry."

 

[suzysducks]

You got them from China?!?!?!?!

I'd get those hideous blinders off them, this species doesn't need them and anyone who sticks them on pheasants need to change their husbandry tactics or just get out of raising birds.

Dan

Kind of sad really

 

[justhatchin]

YES, SAD!! Sad that someone asked for help and the "know-it-alls" just jump down their throat!! You don't know what happened, you don't know that they didn't go through the right channels!! I'm not sure what you are more concerned with that they maybe got birds from china that you didn't and they might be deceased or that they didn't buy american!!
You will note they haven't been back on, nor would I if you started in on me like that. Instead of just asking how they were brought in you just start assuming.

Also while I'm being attitude my self-- I had a pair of yellows last year and the young over zealous roo pecked the hens head open in one day!! There is nothing wrong in my keeping of them unless it is needing another hen and I haven't tried that cuz in my red pair the dominate hen in a trio picked terrible on the other- they(hens) were raised together from hatch with no trouble till they both started laying!! Information says this will happen. It's a fact in fowl life -they sometimes peck on one another much like humans..

 

[golden reeves]

YES, SAD!! Sad that someone asked for help and the "know-it-alls" just jump down their throat!! You don't know what happened, you don't know that they didn't go through the right channels!! I'm not sure what you are more concerned with that they maybe got birds from china that you didn't and they might be deceased or that they didn't buy american!!
You will note they haven't been back on, nor would I if you started in on me like that. Instead of just asking how they were brought in you just start assuming.

Also while I'm being attitude my self-- I had a pair of yellows last year and the young over zealous roo pecked the hens head open in one day!! There is nothing wrong in my keeping of them unless it is needing another hen and I haven't tried that cuz in my red pair the dominate hen in a trio picked terrible on the other- they(hens) were raised together from hatch with no trouble till they both started laying!! Information says this will happen. It's a fact in fowl life -they sometimes peck on one another much like humans..

I agree. Why can't we just help without all the negativity?

 

[Lophura]

YES, SAD!! Sad that someone asked for help and the "know-it-alls" just jump down their throat!! You don't know what happened, you don't know that they didn't go through the right channels!! I'm not sure what you are more concerned with that they maybe got birds from china that you didn't and they might be deceased or that they didn't buy american!!
You will note they haven't been back on, nor would I if you started in on me like that. Instead of just asking how they were brought in you just start assuming.

Also while I'm being attitude my self-- I had a pair of yellows last year and the young over zealous roo pecked the hens head open in one day!! There is nothing wrong in my keeping of them unless it is needing another hen and I haven't tried that cuz in my red pair the dominate hen in a trio picked terrible on the other- they(hens) were raised together from hatch with no trouble till they both started laying!! Information says this will happen. It's a fact in fowl life -they sometimes peck on one another much like humans..

So SAD...

When someone says they got birds, particularly a species such as one that is bad need of purity, from the country of origin, it does raise a lot of questions!! "Cuz" those of us who care about conservation aviculture would like to know if they are really from the wild, perhaps they could be placed in a breeding program to benefit the species. I know if I somehow received "wild" Amherst, I would disperse them to the "know it alls"!! I wouldn't keep any for myself, as I'm not a know it all, rather one who likes to continue to learn as much as I can and disperse what I have learned since many people just look at pics and say "pretty, I want one".

Anyway, since you're jumping on attitude and negativity, if you think I was rude to comment on blinders and the use of them. If you think you need them, which you don't, you need to do more research on the species and try to create a better situation for the bird that mimics its wild habitat or increase enrichment. A lot of aggression in captive animals is due to boredom and stress. If all else fails, trade the birds to a new aviary, but I would almost bet that if you changed their surroundings, you change their behavior. Pheasants are not chickens, they are a wild species. I won't post the pic again, but I think there is one on this forum or gbwf of some of the repercussions of pheasants with blinders.

Maybe humans need blinders or perhaps too many have them on.

Dan

 

[PupuMcgoo]

Hey yall teeeheeeeheeeeee! I'll buy som dem wild amhurst yall got theres. I aint got no hate an I tink that why ma burds aint got non nether. They feed on ma postive brane waves like I fed on that deep frid cat fish. Mmmmmm that good yall! Maybee if yall had some bushes and obamas, hahahahaha just kidn yall, too much politcal stuff on nowdays. bushes and shruberies and what not some trees an grassys and big ole pens an yall aint gonna have none peckn I bets. AND dont yall forgets when ya raise them burds in low stress an a blinder is nutn but stressful beeleeve me says the gimp wit dat ball gag. yall burds will tast sooooooo much better when ya get em in the frier. wooooweeee!!!

 

[PupuMcgoo]

gud ways ta sell som eggs thou have ta giv em that Dan. I bets they gots folks linin up ta getem sum dem eggs teee heeeee heeeeeeee

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Tarnation sas Pupumcgoo!!!!!!

 

[philter4]

YES, SAD!! Sad that someone asked for help and the "know-it-alls" just jump down their throat!! You don't know what happened, you don't know that they didn't go through the right channels!! I'm not sure what you are more concerned with that they maybe got birds from china that you didn't and they might be deceased or that they didn't buy american!!
You will note they haven't been back on, nor would I if you started in on me like that. Instead of just asking how they were brought in you just start assuming.

Also while I'm being attitude my self-- I had a pair of yellows last year and the young over zealous roo pecked the hens head open in one day!! There is nothing wrong in my keeping of them unless it is needing another hen and I haven't tried that cuz in my red pair the dominate hen in a trio picked terrible on the other- they(hens) were raised together from hatch with no trouble till they both started laying!! Information says this will happen. It's a fact in fowl life -they sometimes peck on one another much like humans..

First off you totally missed the point, I was not negative in anything I said but I have dealt with importation of wild animals for most of my working life and every time something like this happens the government makes a law that restricts the hobby. Look at California, there are laws on the books right now that will make it illegal to buy a pet in San Francisco because it is cruel to keep an animal in the city. Last year a woman was arrested for killing a pet rodent, do you know how many people who keep and breed reptiles that kill rodents yearly as food for their pets. If she is found guilty does that mean it will be illegal to poison or trap a rat that is living in your attic? These are things that happen when the rules are broken and govt gets involved.

Right now the state of Hawaii is having hearings on making it illegal to collect and sell tropical aquarium fish, they say the reasoning is that aquarium collectors are wiping out the population of fish. There is no scientific proof, in fact the opposite is true even in Hawaii, studies have shown that under managed collecting areas the populations of fish are increasing not decreasing. It is a perception that fishing destroys populations and still they don't take into account that as a collector you are using scuba gear with barrier and hand nets, what that means is first you can't catch every fish you see, it is impossible, you only have a limited amount of time underwater because of nitrogen toxicity and you are limited to what you can find at your dive sites. While they want to make this illegal, it is perfectly legal for a hotel to do beach restorations, which silt out acres and acres of habitat and food sources in places, the waste produced by sugar cane and plantations which cause huge blooms of algae or the fact that tourists damage the reefs by walking on them or anchoring their boats, but heaven forbid you want to keep an aquarium.

Lets say this person did bring the birds back and they had some sort of disease like avian flu, because of not quarantining them the disease spreads to her other birds or wild birds who now travel to the next bird keeper, wiping out both captive and wild populations of birds, how is that ok not to discuss or inform others of the dangers or rules for bringing birds into the country? Maybe some here posted their objections in a less then polite way but for someone to get a bird of that quality back here to the US, keep the females of very similar looking birds together and put the males together away from the females shows they did not do the research and maybe should rethink keeping them. I am not trying to be rude, and I wouldn't have even brought this up except that the statement you made is naive, bringing a commonly bred bird into the country from a restricted area is not only illegal but dangerous for the birds here and the hobby as a whole.

 

[floridapoultry]

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That's an excellent point.

 

[suzysducks]

Highly doubtful this is true. Ever since the Bird Flu Virus in China and surrounding areas years ago no birds,eggs,etc. cannot be exported from China for years to come also. If done which is
next to impossible out of China these would of had paperwork,and went into quarintene for 30 days
at a great cost. Possibly the eggs were smuggled which I doubt also. Seems far fetched especially with species so cheap and pure birds can be found in the US. I have seen pictures and skins of supposedly pure birds from that area and some are poor quality and hybrids

Sad about the blinders and lack of preparation, but it would be exciting if there was some "pure" new blood of amherst and goldens! Are you sure about eggs can't be brought in from china or is it just the birdds? .