Legbar chicks

[Ilovechickens2525]

So he says he has three different colour varieties and so the one is just a darker cockerel. And the one I just posted is a hen.

I have this fourth one that was really weak (so far not suuuuper impressed with this batch of chicks) he made it through the night though and looking better.

Assuming these are legbars, what do you think this one is?

 

[McChooky]

 

[McChooky]

The blonde one on the right is a male cream legbar.He isn't a crele.The one on the left is a totally different breed please disregard
Here is a better photo of him(Murray McMurray)

 

[Ilovechickens2525]

The blonde one on the right is a male cream legbar.He isn't a crele.The one on the left is a totally different breed please disregard
Here is a better photo of him(Murray McMurray)
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Thanks. I have hatched them before and know the differences, but my one above still doesn’t seem obvious to me.

 

[McChooky]

I'm not sure if this helps, but these babies just hatched yesterday. I sent this picture to the seller and they said the darker one with the more defined stripes is a female, the other two are male. They also said the males might have the eyeliner, but it wouldn't be as defined.

So he says he has three different colour varieties and so the one is just a darker cockerel. And the one I just posted is a hen.

I have this fourth one that was really weak (so far not suuuuper impressed with this batch of chicks) he made it through the night though and looking better.

Assuming these are legbars, what do you think this one is?
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Pip and grow website photos: Female legbars have extended eyeliner and males do not(see photo)

 

[GaryDean26]

The cream legbars were developed in the 1930-1940's as production birds. The researchers started the project with and english strain of brown leghorns that they had kept in their research lab for many years. Since the goal was high product, the second year they introduced a high production strain of Dutch brown leghorns that they imported from the Netherlands. The English strain introduced a light ground color chipmounk patterns and the Dutch strain introduced a dark ground color chick down pattern. Both are present in the currently legbar population. Additionally the Legbar was often outcrossed to brown leghorns (and other breeds) to create new blood lines, hybird layers, etc. I have seen about a dozen different chick down patterns in the closed flock of Legbars that I have been working with since 2011. Yes, I have seen legbars this dark. The ones I saw were overmelonized resulting in black crests, black lacing on the breast and body feathers, etc. These don't look like oilve eggers to me. Olive eggers would be a hybird of a blue egg layer and another breed. The other breed is ussually not barred so all the offspring come out with just one barring gene so they all have the appearance of a pullet when compared to autosexing Legbar. What I see here are double barred males. That only results from a two barred parents.

 

[McChooky]

The cream legbars were developed in the 1930-1940's as production birds. The researchers started the project with and english strain of brown leghorns that they had kept in their research lab for many years. Since the goal was high product, the second year they introduced a high production strain of Dutch brown leghorns that they imported from the Netherlands. The English strain introduced a light ground color chipmounk patterns and the Dutch strain introduced a dark ground color chick down pattern. Both are present in the currently legbar population. Additionally the Legbar was often outcrossed to brown leghorns (and other breeds) to create new blood lines, hybird layers, etc. I have seen about a dozen different chick down patterns in the closed flock of Legbars that I have been working with since 2011. Yes, I have seen legbars this dark. The ones I saw were overmelonized resulting in black crests, black lacing on the breast and body feathers, etc. These don't look like oilve eggers to me. Olive eggers would be a hybird of a blue egg layer and another breed. The other breed is ussually not barred so all the offspring come out with just one barring gene so they all have the appearance of a pullet when compared to autosexing Legbar. What I see here are double barred males. That only results from a two barred parents.
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I've seen photos of some this dark but never would have believed they were legbars had you not posted this.Thanks!