Let's talk Heritage Breeds

Though the Delaware was created about the 1940's, it is critically endangered, a true American breed, and I myself do consider it a heritage breed. It was essentially a meat bird before the Cornish X took over in popularity. It is left off of one list, though it is still on another, because it was created a bit later than whatever cutoff they are using, but they are very much worth saving. Here is part of a discussion of heritage breeds awhile back, which is very relevant to this thread:

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I dont have a good, concise working definition but this is my take on it. Some might say heritage means a breed original to this country, but I would say it's more than that. I would say heritage breed preservation does not mean indiscriminate matings in large numbers of a breed with the intent of merely making more birds, regardless of the standards originally set forth. They are not just "chicken mill" hatchery stock, but more closely related to the original breed, not diluted as it were, but bred to a prescribed standard. For instance, the Rhode Island Red is a great common example. How many see the rich, dark, black cherry/mahogany color in hatchery birds, the proper shape and size, etc? You rarely do, if at all. Today's hatchery RIRs are bred for egg production, and not much else.
I hope I didn't butcher that too much, but I'm sure seriousbill and NYReds and some others might be able to tighten up my definition a bit.

I'd say that's a good way of putting it, Cyn.

The way I look at it is this: Delawares are a rare, old-time(heritage) breed that nearly died out in the 70's and 80's. A few breeders managed to salvage what they could of the remaining lines, and kept the breed going. Then later, when there was renewed interest in the old breeds, you started to see a lot of hatcheries adding Delawares to their lists of stock. That might sound like a good thing, and in a way, maybe it is, but not all of the hatcheries have been very careful about the amount of "outcrossing" they do in order to produce larger numbers of a truly rare breed (also since the Del color pattern is dominant, it's really easy to do this and still get birds that "look" like Dels). Therefore, some Del breeders tend to differentiate between "hatchery Delawares" and "heritage Delawares." It's a touchy subject, and different breeders have different policies on it. Some never mix lines; others do. It gets more complicated when you consider that not all hatcheries or breeders are equal on the issue. But, for the most part, I'd consider a "heritage" Delaware to be one obtained from a breeder who has taken care to procure and breed from non-hatchery stock.​
 
I guess everyone diffenation is a bit different on what heritage means. List like the ABLC and SPPA are great but many of the chickens listed are from out of country. In there country they might not be rare or endangered, since these list are USA tablation of chickens breed here.

So I would say at this time Most of you american large fowl are heritage. Some breeds that are on the critcal list are Java, Buckeye, Jersey Giants, Delaware and your non production or hatchery birds of RIR, Plymouth Rocks and Wyandotts all colors on both. I know I am leaving out many american breeds here some I can not think of off the top of my head. Some of the colors on the last two are real rare to get hold of out side of a hatchery, but even the ones you can get in a hatchery you can not find from breeders. There are very few breeders breeding them to SOP and for there true purpose.

Oh another thing these groups define "Breeders" as having 30 or more of one breed. I think one is 50 or more. They think that is the majic number for genetic diversity. So they are not counting I do not think smaller flocks. I am not sure on this and I wish those on there boards were here on BYC to help out those interested in these breeds. I think that here we have more small breeders in one place than thier numbers account for on thier lists.

There is a good question. How many here are members of the SPPA or there breed club that they are most interesed in breeding? I know many here are not breeders but those that are have you and if not why not?
 
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And there are breeds/colors that aren't on an endangered list because they are supposedly "bred" by the huge hatcheries but have LOST most of their type to hatchery practices.

In my case one of those breeds I am working on is Partridge Rock. Hatchery birds vary widely and often "almost" resemble the standard as it's written. Show birds over the last ten years have gone from several very large and good flocks to being combined and culled under only a few show breeders and the lines they have - aren't being all that fertile. Making them quite hard to come by.

So I am stuck working up from hatchery stock toward the standard by using quality rocks from more popular show and heritage flocks (barred mostly), and doing the research to add back in what was used in the beginning to make partridge rocks, delaware/partridge cochin and or dorking. I've got some good color in the ones I have kept out of three groups. But size, rate of lay, width of back, all needs work.

Even color needs more work but I'm going to seriously mess it up this year for size - adding dels and barreds. So it's an eventual thing.

Mine are therefore the UNrare - Rare. Most of the big hatcheries carry them but those hatchery animals don't reflect the standard.

Heritage is both a date and a standard, and a description. A heritage breed is kept by someone with an eye on improvement, type, the standard and sustainability/production. Heritage breeds became breeds to produce for farmers. I have the 1905 standard for Plymouth Rocks. Chuckle. And I have the various articles on who claimed to and did create PRs and what they ostensibly used.

And I have time and a desire to improve my birds. So I'm willing to say I will someday have heritage quality PRs but that it's my project in progress.

I'm also liking the Delawares so I may end up with two flocks - OMG how does this keep happening...
 
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From wikipedia: "The Dorking is a breed of chicken that is believed to have originated in Italy during the period of the Roman Empire. One of the earliest known mentions of this breed was by the Roman writer Columella during the reign of Julius Caesar. In his text, Rei rusticae libri, he described the breed as, "square-framed, large and broad-breasted, with big heads and small upright combs...the purest breed being five-clawed". From there it was introduced to Great Britain by the Romans at an early date where much of its development continued to take place. They appeared in the first British poultry show in 1845. They were later used to produce the Sussex and Faverolles breeds."
They're on the ALBC "threatened" list, beautiful large dual purpose birds, and great mothers. You can't go wrong.
 
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There is a definition of a heritage breed I read somwhere. It is a breed of poultry that is has, I remember, these attributes:

(1) Slow to moderate growth rate allowing the skeletal and muscular system to fully develop (vs. the commercial industry's fast rate of growth);

(2) Long & productive outdoor lifespan: should be able to live long, productive lives with hens providing eggs for 6-8 years and living for 12 years or more (vs. the very short lives of the commercial industry).

(3) Able to mate naturally; if the breed is considered a broody breed, then it should be able to brood and raise a clutch as well.

(4) A breed developed before the Commercial Industry Boom (so say before 1950 or so)-- I think before the Cornish X Rock cross for meat, there was another popular commercial industry cross (the X eludes me right now-- I'll edit when I think of it or have time to look it up). So, the term includes old foundation breeds like Dorkings, Javas, Asils, Sumatra (a landrace as well), as well as the composite breeds (those that could be made again with the foundation breeds: Orpingtons, Wyandottes, Buckeyes, Delawares, Australorps, Jersey Giants, Lamonas, Barred Rock, Dominiques, etc. It is less on "when" the breed was developed.

Does this help?
 
Thanks cgmccary for actually listing some breeds that would be considered heritage! That was what originally made me make this post. But this post has been interesting throughout!I've not been terribly impressed with much of my hatchery stock, and this year for the first time I'll not be ordering any hatchery stock, I'm ordering all eggs from breeders, although I think in the long run buying eggs will end up costing more than buying chicks lol. I did however buy some hatchery stock of cornish X for meat, first time ever.

I like my orpingtons, and wyandottes. Delawares sound interesting too. Out of those three breeds, which is the best for eggs?
 
I have Orpingtons, Wyandottes and Delawares. My Delaware hen that is of laying age is from high quality breeder stock. She is an excellent layer, rarely ever missing a day. My Orpingtons and Wyandottes were very good layers, too, but are hatchery stock.
 
I found this marketing definition:

Heritage Chicken must adhere to the following:

1. APA Standard Breed
Heritage Chicken must be from parent and grandparent stock of breeds recognized by the American Poultry Association prior to the mid-20th century; whose genetic line can be traced back multiple generations; and with traits that meet the APA Standard of Perfection guidelines for the breed. Heritage eggs must be laid by an APA Standard breed.

2. Naturally mating
Heritage Chickens must be reproduced and genetically maintained through natural mating. Chickens marketed as "heritage" must be the result of naturally mating pairs of both grandparent and parent stock.

3. Long productive outdoor lifespan
Heritage Chicken must have the genetic ability to live a long, vigorous life and thrive in the rigors of pasture-based, outdoor production systems. Breeding hens should be productive for five to seven years and roosters for three to five years.

4. Slow growth rate
Heritage Chicken must have a moderate to slow rate of growth, reaching appropriate market weight for the breed in no less than 14 weeks. This gives the chicken time to develop strong skeletal structure and healthy organs prior to building muscle mass.


It is attributed to Frank Reese who markets heritage poultry.
 
Dominiques, New Hampshires, Rhode Island Reds. All supposedly originated in the colonial times in New England colonies.


I have all three breeds and they are still hardy, great egg and meat producers and lovely breeds to own.
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My favorite would have to be the Dominique. Dominiques are the first of the true American breeds. There are other breeds that have been here as long or longer but they were brought here, the Dominique was developed here.
A couple of years ago I donated a flock of Dominiques to the Farmers Museum in Cooperstown, NY. The Farmers Museum includes a 1840s village & working farm from that era. Each year I hatch eggs for them & guide them in culling the flock.
 
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