Little Giant Incubator Tricks

God News and Bad news.
First the good news: Right now I've got 15 chicks that have hatched out.
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15 eggs still to go since today was only day 21 and I try to give a day or two longer to give every egg a fair chance. So far this is turning into my second best hatch this year. Hopefully they all survive past the one week mark (then I will consider it a success because hatching is half the battle, surviving once the absorbed yolk is gone is the other half). Figured I had a disaster on my hands since there was no turning but there was only one stuck chick-first, stuck in shell, then stuck on rubber shelf liner followed by a bath to get him/her fluffed up and now you can't tell which one he was. Have one that looks smaller, almost bantam sized, that I hope will not be the first to die (I hope none of them die actually but there always seems to be one, even with store bought chicks).

Now the bad news: the broody I mentioned earlier with 8 babies was killed last night along with 4 of her babies.
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She was a AustraWhite and 3 of the chicks were white and I think a coon or possum could see them in the dark because the darker chicks were the ones to survive the attack. No sign of the 4 chicks and only her head and guts were eaten. She had them settled down for the night under the coop and I didn't feel like trying to crawl under to grab her and the chicks then crawl back out to put them into the coop-have ducks in another pen and they are always next to the fence plus I had the unhatched eggs as bait in the trap so I thought she'd be ok for a night or two until the chicks learned to navigate the ramp but I was wrong. I now have the 4 six-day old chicks in the house with the new hatchlings. The only good part about her being gone is that I now have a place to put the 7 one-month old chicks and her body is now in the trap so I'll get the varment that got my girl. If it ends up being the skunk that was let go earlier in the week, stink or no stink, it will not be allowed to go free. (Caught two skunks over the years, and because they relax the muscle that holds their "perfume" when they die, we haven't killed them.)

Well, I'm going to look at the chicks and eggs once more and then go to bed - it's way past my bed time.

CG

I hope you catch the varmint. What type of traps? First I use a live trap and if that doesn't work I set a circle of leg traps around the body. I have caught a Bobcat, Possum, fox and others in both live and leg traps, but found the leg traps usually work best. Some people may think it's cruel but I hate loosing birds to predators. One morning I went out to my chick coop and had chicks that were around 2 months old and found 14 dead, Some without their heads and some with their heads. I have since put electric around the pen and covered it with netting. Haven't lost a chick since. I had Pheasants in that pen and coop before and a Bobcat got in and killed several of my young Pheasants. I had the netting over the pen but didn't have the electric around it. The Bobcat killed several of the youngsters one night by digging under the fence. I put leg traps out that day but nothing that next night. I left the traps out for another night and caught the Bobcat. The traps were set inside their pen so he had to go under the fence again to get into the traps. I also have caught several skunks in live traps. One was digging under their fence and I went out to shoot it and it wasn't afraid of me. I stomped my feet and it stomped it's feet back at me. That is when I went in to get my gun, but my husband wouldn't let me shoot it because it was too close to the house. I had shot one before close to the house and it stunk so I dug a big hole way back on our property and whenever I caught a skunk again I took it out by the hole and let it out of the trap then shot it. Before I did this I contacted our local wildlife people and they told me that skunks weren't endangered and I could shoot them. In about a 2 week period I shot 13 skunks. I heard from one of our neighbors that someone had been catching skunks and releasing them down our road. I guess since we are very rural they figured it was ok. Good luck. I hope you catch the varmint.
 
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I've had great success (90%+ hatch rate) with my little giant still air. Takes some effort, can't set and forget, but all the work has been a great learning tool.

I think I'm ready to upgrade ... value for my buck, ease of use etc... any Ideas???




Just to poke some fun at ya---- if you have such great sucess, why change??

Seriously, you have learned a great deal in being able to have numbers at 90%!! Whooot. Many of the serious hatchers use the BIG machines because they are so reliable. . . . .
 
 
God News and Bad news.

First the good news:  Right now I've got 15 chicks that have hatched out. :celebrate   15 eggs still to go since today was only day 21 and I try to give a day or two longer to give every egg a fair chance.  So far this is turning into my second best hatch this year.  Hopefully they all survive past the one week mark (then I will consider it a success because hatching is half the battle, surviving once the absorbed yolk is gone is the other half).   Figured I had a disaster on my hands since there was no turning but there was only one stuck chick-first, stuck in shell, then stuck on rubber shelf liner followed by a bath to get him/her fluffed up and now you can't tell which one he was.  Have one that looks smaller, almost bantam sized, that I hope will not be the first to die (I hope none of them die actually but there always seems to be one, even with store bought chicks).

Now the bad news: the broody I mentioned earlier with 8 babies was killed last night along with 4 of her babies.:hit   She was a AustraWhite and 3 of the chicks were white and I think a coon or possum could see them in the dark because the darker chicks were the ones to survive the attack. No sign of the 4 chicks and only her head and guts were eaten. She had them settled down for the night under the coop and I didn't feel like trying to crawl under to grab her and the chicks then crawl back out to put them into the coop-have ducks in another pen and they are always next to the fence plus I had the unhatched eggs as bait in the trap so I thought she'd be ok for a night or two until the chicks learned to navigate the ramp but I was wrong. I now have the 4 six-day old chicks in the house with the new hatchlings.  The only good part about her being gone is that I now have a place to put the 7 one-month old chicks and her body is now in the trap so I'll get the varment that got my girl.  If it ends up being the skunk that was let go earlier in the week, stink or no stink, it will not be allowed to go free. (Caught two skunks over the years, and because they relax the muscle that holds their "perfume" when they die, we haven't killed them.)

Well, I'm going to look at the chicks and eggs once more and then go to bed - it's way past my bed time.

CG



I hope you catch the varmint. What type of traps? First I use a live trap and if that doesn't work I set a circle of leg traps around the body. I have caught a Bobcat, Possum, fox and others in both live and leg traps, but found the leg traps usually work best. Some people may think it's cruel but I hate loosing birds to predators. One morning I went out to my chick coop and had chicks that were around 2 months old and found 14 dead, Some without their heads and some with their heads. I have since put electric around the pen and covered it with netting. Haven't lost a chick since. I had Pheasants in that pen and coop before and a Bobcat got in and killed several of my young Pheasants. I had the netting over the pen but didn't have the electric around it. The Bobcat killed several of the youngsters one night by digging under the fence. I put leg traps out that day but nothing that next night. I left the traps out for another night and caught the Bobcat. The traps were set inside their pen so he had to go under the fence again to get into the traps. I also have caught several skunks in live traps. One was digging under their fence and I went out to shoot it and it wasn't afraid of me. I stomped my feet and it stomped it's feet back at me. That is when I went in to get my gun, but my husband wouldn't let me shoot it because it was too close to the house. I had shot one before close to the house and it stunk so I dug a big hole way back on our property and whenever I caught a skunk again I took it out by the hole and let it out of the trap then shot it. Before I did this I contacted our local wildlife people and they told me that skunks weren't endangered and I could shoot them. In about a 2 week period I shot 13 skunks. I heard from one of our neighbors that someone had been catching skunks and releasing them down our road. I guess since we are very rural they figured it was ok. Good luck. I hope you catch the varmint.


I think it came back but the trap didn't get it. (Hen's body was disturbed.) I hope the pressure plate isn't hung up. I have the HaveAHart brand live animal trap. Usually it gets its critter. Usually catches possums, but two skunks, one coon, two cats (one my escaped house cat that I had given up for dead), and several curious pullets, have all been caught in the trap. I would like to make my own decision on whether the trapped animal lives or dies.
I have netting and tarp over one smaller pen, and net over most of the bigger pen. I want electric around the pens, but haven't got everything bought yet (I make just enough to not qualify for reduced school lunches - good thing hubby works too). Since I live on only an acre, I'm sure my neighbors would appreciate not having to smell skunk. LOL. I will do it if I have to, but hope I don't.

Incubating update:
Well, I think the hatch is finished. I had one more pip and not make progress. I unzipped it until I got to some blood then put it back. He didn't make a sound while I did that but I could tell it was still breathing. It wasnt trying to get out and it died an hour or so later. There's been no other pips since. And, the other chick I helped yesterday, must have worn itself out because it was still sleepy. I gave it some liquid vitimins to help give it a boost but it died. Still have tiny, and it seems to be fiesty so I still have hope for it to continue to live. 30 eggs went to lockdown, 16 pips, 14 living.

CG
 
I've had great success (90%+ hatch rate) with my little giant still air. Takes some effort, can't set and forget, but all the work has been a great learning tool.

I think I'm ready to upgrade ... value for my buck, ease of use etc... any Ideas???





I love my Little Giants. One with a fan and one without and I bought an egg turner for both. What I didn't realize is that the still air LG would have temp differences at different levels. So when I take the eggs out of the turner for lockdown, I might have a problem. Actually, this is a problem I could have lived with, without knowing about it. LOL

I love spending time with my eggs so I don't think I will be upgrading. I may be "down grading" and not using the egg turners again. This is my first year with them. Sylvia
 
Quote: I just bought another LG second hand with plans to use it as a hatcher, so I'll incubate in one with a turner and fan, then transfer to the second one without a turner or fan (I swapped the bottoms because I had added straws to the bottom air holes to hold water and not have it leak out). . This way, when I take them out of the turner, and they go lower from the heating element and the lack of extra heat from the turner motor there will be no observable temperature drop and no need for tweaking the temperature knob. I didn't want another batch of chicks but I'm realizing that I'm not having any babies from my non EE hens with the EE roosters I have. I already sold one boy and have the roo with new genes starting to grab hens (not sure not sure if he's successful yet but I wasn't planning on hatching any of his offspring yet) I don't have a way to separate him so I'm stuck with the situation. It makes me want to collet brown eggs to try again with. LOL Must resist the urge to try again.

CG
 
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Love your strraw idea!!! THat is original.

two machines makes life easier.

And yes, as a solemn member of the IA, you must test these eggs from t he new boy.
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I got the straw idea from this thread. I can't take the credit, but I don't know who to give the credit to.

The new boy is suppose to be for next year's incubating. Last year I hatched a few eggs from one roo and one hen only. I also bought 3 more EE chicks. The roo started being a problem so i ketp three of his sons and got rid of the father. So of the blue eggs, I have three boys, fertilizing their mother and 4 sisters plus 3 other hens that could be related. I've hatched out mostly blue-ish eggs so I'm starting to get IMO EEs that are too closely related. I want to bring in brown eggs from my Barred Rocks and red Sex links - one it will give me green eggs to mix in my egg basket, plus it will give me EE-mix pullets for my new boy that aren't as closely related so I can have diversity in my flock gene pool.

CG
 
I love my Little Giants. One with a fan and one without and I bought an egg turner for both. What I didn't realize is that the still air LG would have temp differences at different levels. So when I take the eggs out of the turner for lockdown, I might have a problem. Actually, this is a problem I could have lived with, without knowing about it. LOL

I love spending time with my eggs so I don't think I will be upgrading. I may be "down grading" and not using the egg turners again. This is my first year with them. Sylvia

Yes I'm also a fan of the "ignorance is bliss" school of thought LOL
 
Quote:
Love your strraw idea!!! THat is original.

two machines makes life easier.

And yes, as a solemn member of the IA, you must test these eggs from t he new boy.
big_smile.png
I got the straw idea from this thread. I can't take the credit, but I don't know who to give the credit to.

The new boy is suppose to be for next year's incubating. Last year I hatched a few eggs from one roo and one hen only. I also bought 3 more EE chicks. The roo started being a problem so i ketp three of his sons and got rid of the father. So of the blue eggs, I have three boys, fertilizing their mother and 4 sisters plus 3 other hens that could be related. I've hatched out mostly blue-ish eggs so I'm starting to get IMO EEs that are too closely related. I want to bring in brown eggs from my Barred Rocks and red Sex links - one it will give me green eggs to mix in my egg basket, plus it will give me EE-mix pullets for my new boy that aren't as closely related so I can have diversity in my flock gene pool.

CG
Rather than mess up the genetics, I would look for a new line to add. IF you like hatching look at the BST auctions here on BYC.

Make the green crosses a separate cross. VERY hard to get the blue eggs back once they are mixed with brown.
 
Quote:
Love your strraw idea!!! THat is original.

two machines makes life easier.

And yes, as a solemn member of the IA, you must test these eggs from t he new boy.
big_smile.png
I got the straw idea from this thread. I can't take the credit, but I don't know who to give the credit to.

The new boy is suppose to be for next year's incubating. Last year I hatched a few eggs from one roo and one hen only. I also bought 3 more EE chicks. The roo started being a problem so i ketp three of his sons and got rid of the father. So of the blue eggs, I have three boys, fertilizing their mother and 4 sisters plus 3 other hens that could be related. I've hatched out mostly blue-ish eggs so I'm starting to get IMO EEs that are too closely related. I want to bring in brown eggs from my Barred Rocks and red Sex links - one it will give me green eggs to mix in my egg basket, plus it will give me EE-mix pullets for my new boy that aren't as closely related so I can have diversity in my flock gene pool.

CG
Rather than mess up the genetics, I would look for a new line to add. IF you like hatching look at the BST auctions here on BYC.

Make the green crosses a separate cross. VERY hard to get the blue eggs back once they are mixed with brown.
I guess you are right but I also wanted to keep a piece of my first hens through their daughters (I can be sentimental sometimes). I wouldn't keep the males because they would make blue layers turn green (via the offspring) but keep only "pure" blue boys so I can keep blues in the future. My new boy is from a separate place then where my other EEs came from. He actually is a non-standard Arucana (sp); he has a rump but I guess there's the possibility of rumplessness showing up in the future.

I'm kind of scared to try hatching shipped eggs. That's a lot of money for a small return because I hear you are lucky to get 50% hatch rate on shipped eggs. I bought 16 local eggs and only got 4 of them hatch. I helped one hatch (after all I paid for the eggs and he was taking a long time to get out of the shell) and it wasn't totally ready (I guess something prevented him from absorbing the yolk because there wasn't any blood left to absorb). The yolk was smeared all over the other eggs and I think it killed the unhatched eggs (these plus my EE eggs) and of course, the yolky chick died too. I ended up with only three chicks, and right now I can only find 2 of them (they lost their identifying leg bands and I can only identify 2 by their feather pattern). Anyway, I'd be a Nervous Nelly during hatch time on shipped eggs. I must get better at hatching before I try something that has a built in failure rate.

CG
 

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