Lost my BLRW cock, so now what to I breed my blr (splash) hens to??

[horsebackjenn]

Hello everyone. This is my maiden post, and I have lots of questions, lol.

I have been scawering the internet today, trying to figure out who best to breed my slash-blrw girls to. I lost my favorite roo over the winter, so now I can't produce anymore :'(. At least not this year. My choices for them are a Buff or a red laced.

What can I expect the outcome to be if I breed the splash blr with the buff?

Also, what can I expect between the buff roo and the gold-laced girls?

and what can I expect to produce between the gold-laced roo and the slash blr girls?

I've ordered a couple of blrw cocks that are in the starter pen. They are about a month old. How long will it be before they can breed successfully?

Thanks so much for letting me join!

 

[donrae]

My understanding is black would be the way to go. The black over the splash would give you all blue.

Going from your user name, I'll use horse color genetics, and see if it makes more sense.

Bay is the base color. buckskin is a single dilute of bay. Perlino is a double dilute of bay.
chestnut is the base color. Palomino is the single dilute of chestnut. Creamello is the double dilute of chestnut.

With chickens, black is the base color. Blue is the single dilute, splash is the double dilute. If you breed the base color to the double dilute, you always get the single dilute. So black x splash=blue.

 

[horsebackjenn]

Thank you for the response. I understand a black would be ideal, but my only options are the buff rooster or the gold laced. I have a blue, but he has a crooked beak, and I don't want a bunch of crooked beak babies, lol. Since Eggbid closed down a couple years ago, I don't even know where to look to buy quality adult stock. I've found a couple of small aution sites, but they don't generally ahve anything I'm looking for, or the posts are months old. Where does everyone go nowadays? Maybe buying a suitable rooster would be the best way to go.

Anyways, I do have a good grasp of the concepts of genetic inheritance, but what I don't know, is if the buff is a dilute gene like the creme in horses, or if it is more like the buff in call ducks, where it is sex linked. what colors does it dilute and what colors it is unefective on as it pertains to chickens? I haven't been able to find anything on it yet. All I've been able to find says the buff laced is actually a gold laced with dominant white turning the black lacing to white. But, that doesn't help me with my very buff (not oranange, red or mahogany, but more like yellow) rooster and what he could produce, when bred to blr hens lol. I'll continure searching the threads though, and see if the that's already been answered. Some threads are 800-1000+ pages, so it feels pretty hopeles at times, when you're not real sure where to look to begin with

 

[donrae]

Okay, I was thinking the black on the gold laced was the base color, and you'd dilute from there. Maybe my thinking is off.

 

[nicalandia]

Thank you for the response. I understand a black would be ideal, but my only options are the buff rooster or the gold laced. I have a blue, but he has a crooked beak, and I don't want a bunch of crooked beak babies, lol. Since Eggbid closed down a couple years ago, I don't even know where to look to buy quality adult stock. I've found a couple of small aution sites, but they don't generally ahve anything I'm looking for, or the posts are months old. Where does everyone go nowadays? Maybe buying a suitable rooster would be the best way to go.

Anyways, I do have a good grasp of the concepts of genetic inheritance, but what I don't know, is if the buff is a dilute gene like the creme in horses, or if it is more like the buff in call ducks, where it is sex linked. what colors does it dilute and what colors it is unefective on as it pertains to chickens? I haven't been able to find anything on it yet. All I've been able to find says the buff laced is actually a gold laced with dominant white turning the black lacing to white. But, that doesn't help me with my very buff (not oranange, red or mahogany, but more like yellow) rooster and what he could produce, when bred to blr hens lol. I'll continure searching the threads though, and see if the that's already been answered. Some threads are 800-1000+ pages, so it feels pretty hopeles at times, when you're not real sure where to look to begin with

you are right, Buff laced birds are just Gold laced birds with the Dominant white gene Diluting the Black to white and the gold to a buff shade of gold, this is true for gold laced birds, for Red enhanced black laced birds the dominant white has almont no effect on the intence red color so instead of buff laced they will be red while laced wyandotte birds, now you have said you have Red laced bird rooster? he would be the way to go if all you have is Splash laced Reds, Self Buff wyandotte(ala Buff Orps) are not a good way to start, they have way different genes not found on laced wyandottes so they are not good at all

 

[horsebackjenn]

Thank you. My red laced roo is needing a break from ranging anyways...the guineas really tear him up, he has no tail feathers left, so I'm sure he would be pleased to be in a breeding pen for awhile, lol.

I'm not as fond of the buff laced, but I do think a buff chicken with lacing would be exceptionally pretty. Since there is already a color named "buff laced", I wonder what a buff chicken with lacing would be called, lol. and more importantly....how you would acheive it?? Has anyone been working on it?

 

[nicalandia]

Thank you. My red laced roo is needing a break from ranging anyways...the guineas really tear him up, he has no tail feathers left, so I'm sure he would be pleased to be in a breeding pen for awhile, lol.

I'm not as fond of the buff laced, but I do think a buff chicken with lacing would be exceptionally pretty. Since there is already a color named "buff laced", I wonder what a buff chicken with lacing would be called, lol. and more importantly....how you would acheive it?? Has anyone been working on it?

its nearly impossible to get lacing on "True" Self Buff birds, due to eWh(Wheaten) and powerful black feather restrictors restricting any black pigment out of the birds body. if you ever cross a Buff Orp rooster with a Laced wyandotte hen most of this birds will look black tailed Reds/Orange. Pg(pattern gene) Ml(Melanotic) will Fall under the powerful effect of Db and Co

 

[Fabulous Chicks]

As we are very new to BRLW a friend on Facebook posted this to make the concept easier to understand. We only successfully hatched 2 babies. Got 15 off a new breeder and trying again. We are also trying to figure out which rooster we will need to produce what we want to raise. This chart is very easy for me to understand hope it helps you too!
https://www.facebook.com/gb.farms?ref=tn_tnmn

 

[horsebackjenn]

I already knew how the blue dilution worked, but that is an awesome chart for the layman, lol. The only one I'm not familiar with is the circle on the bottom right. The clear circle with dots in it is obviously splash, but what is the circle with the gray dots? I know that the splash comes in varying digrees of pale blue, from having dark blue and blackish looking specks in it, to being nearly completely white, but Ive never heard of another dilution that comes from breeding splash together.

Are there more charts like that for other colors posted somewhere? I'd love to see them