hey gracie and thanx for the info. i do love these birds, i like the little blue so much im trying to figure out how to breed some more of them, the one with the bars thats not a good pic. he is only barred on the front half and is jet black from there back, he hatched out on march 15 so he only just a hair over 2 mths old and i was hopeing he was just an awkward looking young birchen maran, is that possible? im gonna hold on to him and see how he turns out, he is a neet litte fellar, and if i decide to get rid of the blue pullet i will give her to you but im thinking of starting some myself, thanx and tell mr. doug the birds are doing great and i love his stock, thanx againThe one on top is a blue copper. They sometimes pop up if there was blue in the breeding. I have no clue where that barred one came from! He doesn't have a single barred bird on his property. That's really interesting. I'll let him know about these two. He will probably replace them with whites for you. That barred bird really has me scratching my head though! I'm starting a pen of blue coppers, so if you decide to get rid of that pullet then let me know!