Boy are you correct. And that cock bird is 100% permanently ticked off at us. My thought is that is because he was raised until he was an older juvie by someone else. He was nearly full size, I guess about 9 months of so when we got him. By the temperament of the youngsters I think to some degree they must bond with their caretakers. We have been butchering between 20-25 weeks. The Marans/Malay pullet that we still have growing is getting close to laying I would think. But she seems quite a bit lighter than the boys. Maybe she is just a light weight. We plan to keep some of the heavier hens out of these crosses and incorporate them into our laying flock of possible.