~MALAYSIAN SERAMA THREAD~ (PICS!!!)

[Cloverleaf Farm]

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I don't want to start anything but basically are you saying if we (general Serama lovers) can't make or add to the perfection of the bird we shouldn't have Seramas at all or shouldn't sell them to others who do want them? If so, I think that's a bit uppity. Sorry to be blunt but that's the way I am. There are a lot of people who simply love the breed for what it is same as they love every other breed of chicken. They want a house pet, they want to have a little flock of Seramas, whatever. I agree people should not be selling pet quality birds as show quality - that is just false advertising, but I don't think everyone who has Seramas "needs" to be breeding for perfection or contributing to the perfection as you said. Now if this is not what you meant, then I am sorry and retract my blunt statement.

Im not saying that people should not have PQ serama and breed them, but like you said, do not sell them as SQ and make sure people know that they are not SQ. What I am saying is that people that want to breed serama for a purpose should breed toward the perfection of the breed.

Is anyone here misrepresenting their birds?

I agree that that is a BIG no-no, and if folks are doing that, I'd love a PM as to who they are, so I don't buy from them!

 

[SunAngel]

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I love that bird Jerry! And i completely understand what you meant!

While I do love that bird too (who wouldn't) and can also comprehend what you were getting at...it could have been put a little nicer. The only problem I have is that what you posted is a bit hypocritical. As I have seen many of the Seramas you have sold, some of which I assume are your culls, that look very much like what everyone else is calling 'Seramas'. Many of the people who have Seramas today, got theirs from you or bought eggs/chicks from people that originally bought your birds. Now all people can't afford to buy your best & most expensive typey birds, so we buy what we can afford (sometimes from you) and then breed and sell to others, that also can't afford 'show quality'. If you did not want any birds out there that weren't 'perfect' standard, why do you sell birds that aren't? I am not trying to be rude, I am just trying to understand your reasoning behind being angry with the less than perfect birds. I love my Seramas, some of which are direct descendents from your birds...and they are not perfect, but I will continue to keep the nicest looking birds and work up, whenever possible. I assume others are trying that as well!

Sorry SilverDuckwing, most of that was directed at Jerry, I was just agreeing with what you said too

 

[ZooMummzy]

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Im not saying that people should not have PQ serama and breed them, but like you said, do not sell them as SQ and make sure people know that they are not SQ. What I am saying is that people that want to breed serama for a purpose should breed toward the perfection of the breed.

Is anyone here misrepresenting their birds?

I agree that that is a BIG no-no, and if folks are doing that, I'd love a PM as to who they are, so I don't buy from them!

Now see that I understand and completely agree with. I can't tell you how many people are selling eggs on Ebay and probably other sites too that say SQ. Honestly, if I wanted SQ Seramas I would buy from a reputable breeder and I would buy mature birds. Same as if I wanted to breed Seramas. All of my Seramas are PQ and I make sure people know that. I have some nice and honestly, they probably would win awards at the local fair, but as far as SQ - nope, no way, just wonderful little pets. My goal has never been to breed and sell Seramas like that, more just fill the need people have around here for them (hard to get in this area) and hopefully eventually have a nice little flock of all Seramas for myself instead of all my big layers. I'm one of those odd people who wrote Jerry asking for any Cs or Ds he might have because that is size I want for my little flock

 

[CochinBarry]

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I love that bird Jerry! And i completely understand what you meant!

While I do love that bird too (who wouldn't) and can also comprehend what you were getting at...it could have been put a little nicer. The only problem I have is that what you posted is a bit hypocritical. As I have seen many of the Seramas you have sold, some of which I assume are your culls, that look very much like what everyone else is calling 'Seramas'. Many of the people who have Seramas today, got theirs from you or bought eggs/chicks from people that originally bought your birds. Now all people can't afford to buy your best & most expensive typey birds, so we buy what we can afford (sometimes from you) and then breed and sell to others, that also can't afford 'show quality'. If you did not want any birds out there that weren't 'perfect' standard, why do you sell birds that aren't? I am not trying to be rude, I am just trying to understand your reasoning behind being angry with the less than perfect birds. I love my Seramas, some of which are direct descendents from your birds...and they are not perfect, but I will continue to keep the nicest looking birds and work up, whenever possible. I assume others are trying that as well!

I agree! And i think that is what everyone should do, work up, not keep getting farther from perfection!

 

[ZooMummzy]

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While I do love that bird too (who wouldn't) and can also comprehend what you were getting at...it could have been put a little nicer. The only problem I have is that what you posted is a bit hypocritical. As I have seen many of the Seramas you have sold, some of which I assume are your culls, that look very much like what everyone else is calling 'Seramas'. Many of the people who have Seramas today, got theirs from you or bought eggs/chicks from people that originally bought your birds. Now all people can't afford to buy your best & most expensive typey birds, so we buy what we can afford (sometimes from you) and then breed and sell to others, that also can't afford 'show quality'. If you did not want any birds out there that weren't 'perfect' standard, why do you sell birds that aren't? I am not trying to be rude, I am just trying to understand your reasoning behind being angry with the less than perfect birds. I love my Seramas, some of which are direct descendents from your birds...and they are not perfect, but I will continue to keep the nicest looking birds and work up, whenever possible. I assume others are trying that as well!

I agree! And i think that is what everyone should do, work up, not keep getting farther from perfection!

But again, you really shouldn't say "everyone". Not everyone wants perfect. I don't, never will and honestly, there is nothing "perfect" in this world

 

[CochinBarry]

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While I do love that bird too (who wouldn't) and can also comprehend what you were getting at...it could have been put a little nicer. The only problem I have is that what you posted is a bit hypocritical. As I have seen many of the Seramas you have sold, some of which I assume are your culls, that look very much like what everyone else is calling 'Seramas'. Many of the people who have Seramas today, got theirs from you or bought eggs/chicks from people that originally bought your birds. Now all people can't afford to buy your best & most expensive typey birds, so we buy what we can afford (sometimes from you) and then breed and sell to others, that also can't afford 'show quality'. If you did not want any birds out there that weren't 'perfect' standard, why do you sell birds that aren't? I am not trying to be rude, I am just trying to understand your reasoning behind being angry with the less than perfect birds. I love my Seramas, some of which are direct descendents from your birds...and they are not perfect, but I will continue to keep the nicest looking birds and work up, whenever possible. I assume others are trying that as well!

I agree! And i think that is what everyone should do, work up, not keep getting farther from perfection!

And also, you do get what you pay for from jerry! And even the less expensive birds are nice and can be used to make a great flock of serama!

 

[CochinBarry]

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I agree! And i think that is what everyone should do, work up, not keep getting farther from perfection!

But again, you really shouldn't say "everyone". Not everyone wants perfect. I don't, never will and honestly, there is nothing "perfect" in this world

I agree, eveyone does not want perfect! But would you buy a chicken of another breed that was not at least close to where it should be?

 

[drumstick diva]

smoothmule, he is so sweet my teeth hurt

 

[SunAngel]

Exactly, you get what you pay for, but if the seller doesn't want anything less than perfect out there, shouldn't they only sell perfect? Can't sell less than perfect, supply birds to the country and then complain for people daring to be proud of what they have and loving their birds. Thats just not right.

There will never be peace between the show quality breeders and the average chicken breeder. Thats just how it is.

I doubt I will ever have a bird that looks exactly like Jerrys best breed standard, but then again, not all of his do either. He is just lucky to have some awesome birds, that the majority of us will never be able to touch.

Besides, if we all had perfect birds, we couldn't drool over the pictures of his

 

[Yeagin1]

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I don't want to start anything but basically are you saying if we (general Serama lovers) can't make or add to the perfection of the bird we shouldn't have Seramas at all or shouldn't sell them to others who do want them? If so, I think that's a bit uppity. Sorry to be blunt but that's the way I am. There are a lot of people who simply love the breed for what it is same as they love every other breed of chicken. They want a house pet, they want to have a little flock of Seramas, whatever. I agree people should not be selling pet quality birds as show quality - that is just false advertising, but I don't think everyone who has Seramas "needs" to be breeding for perfection or contributing to the perfection as you said. Now if this is not what you meant, then I am sorry and retract my blunt statement.

I've had a lot of different animals in my lifetime and each time if it was something I was wanting to breed, the first thing I did was to read the SOP and learn everything I could about the breed then get the best breeding quality I could find.....horses dogs or chickens. You produce a lot of PQ while trying to produce SQ...cull the pet and breed your best.

I now have two rescued dogs that I love very much. Both were bred by backyard breeders who bred pets to produce more pets. Both have overbites that make it very hard for them to eat. It doesn't mean I love them any less for their faults but I would never ever breed them because of it.

I also have pet Seramas that will never be bred because of their faults. No animal is perfect but I can't see breeding anything without trying to breed for improvement. That goes for any of the breeds, not just Seramas.
The Standard of Perfection is used as a guide as to how the different breeds should look.