~MALAYSIAN SERAMA THREAD~ (PICS!!!)

[gootziecat]

Abbey2140, Please forgive my confusion, but is the picture one of the crossbred chicks? Whatever it is, it's super cool.

 

[friedeggs]

I was all excited to hatch two... And, they both have feathered feet Turns out my rosecomb won't breed her but, my mille boy will. He hasn't been near her in weeks so, I have high hopes for the rest in the bator. One rosecomb cross did hatch but later died. It was a dark liver color. The little gal is a hog! She races up and scarfs down all the snacks before any of the broodies and their broods can get some

Oh my... Dark colored bet it was pretty. Sorry
Well is the rosecomb young or have several hens together?
Wow booties! Show pics. I bet that will be fun!​

 

[DragonEggs]

High roost ranch, thank you SO MUCH for that wonderful bit of information! See, I caught my serama male trying to do his job with my yokohama female and that tickled a notion in the back of my mind of long tailed seramas but it really got me wondering about the silkied and frizzled seramas. I knew the silkie gene can randomly pop up from birds with non silkie parentage for generations but I didn't know how that worked with frizzled. I never knew if frizzled was something introduced or that randomly mutated on its own.

Now I know you said the frizzled gene was intorduced back aroun 03 and it was mentioned that Bluegrass has allowed the frizzled serama a comeback. Are the frizzled that bluegrass has ones that they created on their own or are these from those original frizzled introduced back in 03? I ask because I would think the frizzles have been bred down enough that they should all have the serama traits we are looking for and not (if rarely ever) be showing triats from the birds that introduced frizzled into them. I was also wondering if anyone was keeping track of the lineage of the frizzled birds so they know how many generations out of the original cross breed they are.

Sorry if this all seems so impertinent of me but I honestly would like to know just for knowledge sake. Seramas have me so curious!

 

[Skyesrocket]

Sorry if this all seems so impertinent of me but I honestly would like to know just for knowledge sake. Seramas have me so curious!

Me too! Me too!

 

[abbey2140]

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Yeah we were talking about how some of our girls have "hubbies" of different breeds. I have 4 of these little buggers that appeared one day with a sebright hen. They are Golden Sebright and Columbian Cochin oopses. I normally steal the eggs from her but she hid some on me under the pole barn.

 

[BluegrassSeramas]

Hi all!
Well, I personally can't take any credit for creating the frizzles, but it was implemented by my breeding partner, Patrick, who says he started breeding the Frizzles in 2006, so High Roost is correct. I'll take credit for the revival and picking with Pat, good breeders from our line to get some nice typey ones

lol When we decided we were ready to sell some, I couldn't find any other breeders aside from Steve Wheat, but ours seemed to be further along.
Back then you did get a lot of flaming talking about them though. I know I did. It's neat to know there were other people thinking along the same lines.. I wonder if they still have any, and how they look now? That would be great to see!
Most of the frizzled birds you see today, I can usually trace back to here... Trust me, I've tried to find some others to scope them out!
Thanks!
~Jessi

More here about Frizzles with pictures (yay!) --
http://www.scnaonline.org/scnaforums/index.php?showtopic=1707&hl=typhon
http://www.scnaonline.org/scnaforums/index.php?showtopic=1906&hl=typhon



This is from this sticky on the SCNA--where you can read more...
http://www.scnaonline.org/scnaforums/index.php?showtopic=1673&hl=typhon

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This old, inquiring mind, not being curious, but wanting to know, inquired as to how the frizzarama came to be and received the following information from Patrick Buck, creator of the sub species.-Jerry

Hello Jerry!

Jessi asked me to drop you a note. I'm awed and humbled that SCNA will consider
adding the frizzled Serama, officially to the breed, as Jessi told me
yesterday. I "made" the frizzled Seramas at the request of a good friend, a
chicken hobbyist but not an exhibitor. He is enamored both of frizzles, and
when he saw mine, of Seramas. I had just gotten into breeding standard-bred
bantams, and back into chicken raising in general due to many years of apt.
living. When I bought the house, the chickens were moved in before
Christopher and I were. They were a surprise for him; he didn't know I was
a big chicken fan since we had never lived in a house before.

In any case, the only suitable frizzled bantam hen available to me was
a mixed white one with some silkied ancestry (5 toes) Joe bought at a local
show for $10. By suitable I mean small enough to be bred by a Serama, and I
put her with a typey Serama cockerel. Her fertility was excellent; every
egg hatched! She turned out to be a curly (2 frizzled genes) as every chick
was frizzled (1 gene). Poor thing went bald, as curlies are wont to do, and
she now lives in a friend's living room! Half the chicks had 5 toes, so she
was only heterozygous for that dominant trait. She was prettily heavily
booted though, so all chicks had a substantial amount of booting.

I kept one of the most Serama-looking of the cockerels, which also had
4 toes and less booting than most, and bred him to a nice Serama hen. Since
he had only one frizzled gene, only half of the chicks were frizzles. None
were curlies since frizzled is a semi-dominant gene; it would crop up very
rarely, unlike the silkied gene, which is recessive and could remain hidden
for many generations. Since the 5-toe gene is dominant as well; it would
also almost never crop up in the offspring of two 4-toed birds. I had no
further 5-toed chicks after the first generation cross since I used a 4-toed
cockerel for the 2nd cross. In any case, almost all the chicks were nice,
and one (fortunately a frizzle) had only minimal lower leg-feathering and
none on the toes. I bred her to a typey Serama cockerel, and got a
stunning, clean-legged 7/8 Serama cockerel with outstanding type. His son,
15/16 Serama, is every bit as good. His name is Typhon, and I believe
you've seen his photo. None of our frizzles is less than 15/16 Serama, and
the new generations are 31/32 and 61/64.
(And more so this year)
In any case, that's how I got them. Hope this info helps, and feel
free to share this email with others or even put it online. I'm glad that
what started out as a favor for a good friend has become something many
folks are enjoying (and even making me and Jessi some feed money!)

Yours, Patrick in Lexington Kentucky

PS our pair of silkied Seramas are not descended from the part-silky
foundation hen of the frizzled line. I ordered some silkied Serama eggs
from the old Serama Kings, and while I decided I didn't want to breed more
of them for a while, the gene was in our gene pool from there and surfaced
when Mr. Wonderful (whose photo and perhaps video you may have seen) was
bred back to his daughters; turned out he carries the silkied gene.

 

[DragonEggs]

So much information! My head just may burst!

That was a very interesting read. I know who I'm getting my future Seramas from!

 

[catwalk]

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Bluegrass Seramas is most well-known for introducing the Frizzle gene to Seramas, but I beleive that Steve Wheat did it more recently. Somebody check my facts, because he's better known for his Silkies and Cochins.......

Back in 2003 or so (give or take a year either way) Brad and Teresa Williford (Carolinas somewhere) were working on Frizzled Seramas. So I think credit would have to go to the Willifords in this case. They did it by introducing the frizzled gene to Japs and from there to Seramas if I remember correctly what Brad told me. The Willifords were part of the ORIGINAL SCNA group, but left SCNA many years ago because they were dissatisfied with various things within SCNA, the foremost being the reluctance to turn it over to a governing body. For those newbies at SCNA who weren't around in the beginning, the "power couple" that Jerry refers to, is Brad and Teresa Williford, the originators, to the best of my knowledge, of the frizzled gene in seramas today. Glenda Heywood played a part in advising them as well. During this time period, the idea of a frizzled serama didn't take so to speak publically and they were just kept locked in the closet if you will. Recently they have made a revival again. There have been others in between the originals and now that have been getting frizzled seramas in their breeding programs. I can think of 4 right off the top of my head. So BlueGrass can be credited with the revival of the Frizzleds, but unfortunately original credit is due to another several years back.

The silkied gene, as best as anyone can tell, was infused into the genetics early on in the creation of the serama. It isn't recent. It is a gene frowned upon in Malaysia. I believe it is naturally occurring and the SILKIE bantam as we have here in the USA was NOT used in creating the silkied serama. I remember when it started popping up all of a sudden, and those birds had zero silkie bantam characteristics in them, not something that could have been bred out in just a couple of generations after their arrival to the USA.

Thanks, Julie! I knew I was wrong!

 

[HenThymes]

Here are some serama babies that I had hatch yesterday. They are just adorable to watch run around.

I love that all three are going to be different.

 

[BluegrassSeramas]

They are sooo cute!

I never get dark babies. I can't wait to see those as they grow up.
Im getting some new blood for our line this year (finally!) from Dianne and Jerry.
Im ready for some new colors!! I hope I get some chicks as cute as yours!