Mama Heating Pad in the Brooder (Picture Heavy) - UPDATE

Okey dokey - but remember that I'm venturing off topic here - oh, wait - I'm the queen of going off topic!


Motel Chix in the summer....we put the lattice in front because we live in town and our set-up is visible from the street. We didn't want it to be an eyesore - especially since I was on the town council at the time.


Putting the lattice over the top. Since it's really flexible, it just formed itself to the arch naturally. We anchored the corners and a few points down with zip-ties - smooth side up and the tie part facing down inside..


We rolled the ends of the plastic around metal lathe strips we bought at Lowes. It has predrilled holes all along the length of it. Then we reinforced the spots on the plastic sheeting with pieces of Gorilla tape on both sides where we'd poke the zip ties through. The ties went through the Gorilla tape reinforced holes and into the metal lathe, then were closed. Then we rolled the rest of the edges of the plastic several turns just like you do a window shade and clipped the ends of the metal lathe to the cattle panels. In this upper picture you can see the metal lathe though the plastic. We only rolled it over on itself twice at the door frame because we weren't sure we were going to leave it. We ran screws with large, flat washers to secure it to the door frame, right through the plastic, the metal lathe, the plastic again and then into the wood. We did end up leaving it, and it never tore.


Finishing touch - Ken put the lattice fence back in front of the run.


We finished as it clouded up and started spitting snow, just at sunset, so it seems a little dark inside. But it kept the wind and snow out, and held the sun's warmth in. You can see a gap at the top of the south side...we deliberately left that uncovered as well as the same size place on the opposite side. That gave us some much needed ventilation even during the winter.


It withstood winds of 60 -70 mph and the snow load just fine. We'd go inside the run and use the brushy part of a push broom, give the cattle panel underside of the arch a couple of well placed smacks, and the snow slid down the sides and off the top. Easy as could be. For summer we've decided to roll the plastic up window shade fashion on both sides and clamp the metal strips together at the top. Then we'll put our landscape fabric sun shade right over it. Come next winter, just take off the landscape fabric shades and unroll and clip the plastic back into it's winter position.

This help?

@dpenning Boy, I love this new feature that tells you a post has come in while you're typing yours! I've seen these chicks jumping up onto the top, and tussling up there - I really don't think even doubled up that hardware cloth will work. You might try taking some small strips of wood and making a frame, then tacking the layers of hardware cloth between them. Anyone else have any ideas?
 
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I still want to know what numbers you use for night time temps around 20*.
I used the 6 setting and then watched the chicks, LG. They either moved to the rear if they needed more heat or stayed out of the cave if it was too warm. If they were popping in and out of the cave exploring, climbing on top, and snoozing, then going back inside for a warm up, it was just right.
 
A mama heating pad/pseudo brooder plate/electric hen doesn't need to be curved/cavelike....it can be flat like the brooder plates.
https://www.backyardchickens.com/t/862691/pseudo-brooder-heater-plate/60#post_14954247

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No problem, katbriar....and I know the strange looks from the hardware store all too well myself!

There is something that I neglected to mention in my enthusiasm for this entire project, and I apologize for that omission. I have a very dear, dear friend who just had her chicks hatch in her incubator and she's understandably nervous about this process - most especially the part where I put my chicks out very early on when our temps were low. So let me stress this -

THE CHICKS I PUT OUT THERE WERE ALREADY A FEW DAYS OLD WHEN THEY WENT OUT! I know I keep referring to them being "day old chicks" but that's not accurate. They were day-olds to me, but not in reality, and I somehow neglected to take that into account. I think we all refer to our new chicks as "day olds" because they are shipped as day-olds and we tend to count the first day with us as their first day. There was no attempt at deliberate deception on my part. The first batch I put under the cave were shipped to the feed store where I bought them, which put them at 2 or three days already. They were in the house for almost a week while Ken recovered from his hospitalization. The four that I added to them were also shipped to the feed store, which gave them a couple of days under their belts, and they went outside immediately upon getting them home. This last batch hatched on Monday and were received on Thursday, then stayed in a tote in the house under Mama Heating Pad overnight because they were so stressed from four days of shipping. They were outside from their second morning here and doing great.

If, for any of you, there is any aspect of this system that you are not comfortable with, especially with regard to putting them outside when they are so tiny and not eating or drinking yet, don't put them out yet! There is absolutely nothing that says you can't use this system inside the house in a tote, indoor brooder, or even a large box for the first few days until you know how they are doing. And there is nothing wrong with saying, "This looks interesting but it's just too scary for me." I would feel terrible if someone put his/her chicks outside and the system didn't work, resulting in the loss of even one chick. That isn't my intent, and it sure would go a long way toward souring folks on a system that is so close to natural. My babies are doing great - it's cold outside and they are still active, strong, curious and loving being chickens. But none of them had just come out of the incubator, and I had no business implying that putting newly hatched chicks under a heating pad cave in a cold coop or run was a snap. It isn't. These are living, breathing creatures. I have 100% total confidence in this way of raising chicks - I'll never, ever plug in a heat lamp again. So if you want to do this, and you'd be more comfortable beginning your chicks' journey in the house this way for a few days or a week, (until you are satisfied that they are doing well) then do it that way, moving them out when you know they are handling life well.

I believe in this system. Others who are doing believe in it too. But let your good common sense be your guide and if that means you start them indoors until you see how it works, then that's the right thing for you and your chicks to do. Okay, down off my soapbox.
 
Hey Blooie,
Just wanted to say thanks for the great tip on using a heating pad for the brooder. I got my first 9 chicks this morning & I just checked them and they're all fast asleep & comfy in a set up just like in your pics. Not all huddled together and they didn't even raise their heads as they looked at me looking in on them through their sleepy eyes. Not a peep out of them either. I'm soooooooooooo stoked.
 
I've noticed the same thing, aart. There's something to be said for not living under bright lights and for having a warm, secure place to hide if they do get spooked.

@shorttimer So glad that you tried this and like it. I know I sure like it, and so do my chicks.

The Tinys are one week old today...they were hatched last Monday and we received them on Thursday. Still doing great out there, but it looks like we're going to have close up the side of the run that we opened this weekend. It's been so nice that we rolled up a short section on the south side of the run. The Littles spent their time basking in the patch of sunshine that let in. But now, well, check it out.....



Oh, goodie. Winter found us. So we'll need to take some sensible precautions out there to keep all the babies safe, and that's going to start with closing that south end. I'll probably pack some extra straw around and in the cave as well.
 

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