Mama Heating Pad in the Brooder (Picture Heavy) - UPDATE

Discussion in 'Raising Baby Chicks' started by Blooie, Mar 4, 2015.

  1. Blooie

    Blooie Team Spina Bifida Premium Member

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    I've talked about this before on other threads. I'd like to say it was my own brilliant idea, but actually I saw a video made by a woman who broods her chicks outdoors using a heating pad "cave" and straw. The idea intrigued me, and I so wish I could give proper credit. Alas, I can't find the video now so I hope that if you know who it was, you will jump in here and let us know. My dear friend Beekissed was also a huge inspiration with the heating pad project. That woman is a font of good information and I'm lucky she's one of my best teachers.

    I used this heating pad method when we had a tiny chick who got frostbitten feet. (You can click on the link in my signature to read Scout's adventure.) I used it for the short time he was inside the house, then moved it outside to the coop. It worked so well that I am now using it for our latest batch of chicks. They were supposed to start out in the coop from the getgo. However, our long, several week long stretch of balmy weather ended the day I got the babies, so they are in the house until we get back above zero. One chick with frostbitten feet was enough. Then too, my sweet husband is in the hospital, and since he's my brooder builder we are a little behind on getting the outside coop brooder built.

    Now, on the to the "hows". I'm using a wire dog crate with hardware cloth running a bit up the sides to prevent escapees. This particular crate has a front door and a side door - mighty doggone handy! I used some good old Press 'n Seal and ran it around the crate. Believe it or not, it actually sticks to the hardware cloth very well. Then I tucked the excess under the crate. This has done a wonderful job of keeping the shavings inside the crate and not all over my living room floor! It's a little more crowded in there than I like, but in a few days they'll be going out to the big brooder.

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    I got a scrap of wire fencing and bent it into a hoop. Then I stood it up with the open side down. You can see where I've used electrical tape to cover any little points left from cutting the wire. There was a hole in the top that I didn't like, so there's a bit of hardware cloth covering it.

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    I'm using a Sunbeam heating pad. You can see on the control that I can opt to use the "Auto Off" feature so the pad stays on all of the time. As the chicks grow and as their need for a lot of heat changes, I can use a bigger bit of fence, make the hoop taller, and turn down the temp on the heating pad. This heating pad is the smaller model - there is also an extra large one and that's the one we'll be using when the chicks go outside, hopefully at the end of this week.

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    The heating pad is draped over the wire frame. I didn't like the way the hardware cloth kept the heating pad from making full contact with the frame all the way down, so I replaced it with a smaller piece just larger than the hole. That is working better than what you see in this picture. Of course, if your scrap of fencing has no hole, you get to skip this fitting.

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    Again using my good old Press 'n Seal, I covered a folded towel with it. Yes, it will stick, and stick very firmly. I tore the sheets longer than I needed and folded the excess under, pressing it there as well. This keeps the edges of the folded towel together, keeps the towel clean, and covers all of those frayed little fringes that are on the towel so the chicks don't try to eat them.

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    The towel assembly goes over the heating pad, with a little awning to keep out light and give them a sense of being able to hide. The towel is tucked under the bottom edges of the frame, and at the back of the frame it goes all the way down to the floor of the brooder, holding in heat and closing off the back.

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    You can see how dark and cozy it is under there. On the right side you can see where the towel is not pulled all the way down - I was trying to get a little more light in there for the photo. Um, didn't work!

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    The little ones absolutely love this. They like to sit on top (hence the Press 'n Seal covering) and they go in and out at will for a quick warm-up, just like they would under a broody. They spend most of their time out of the "cave" exploring, eating and drinking and THEY control their own comfort. When the lights go out in the house, all of them have gone under for the night. In the first 24 hours they'd been here they'd already learned that night time is time for sleeping. They don't have a harsh light on all night. They are quiet all night long - no cheeping or fussing at all. Just blessed quiet! Personally I think that the natural day/night cycle and a full night of sleeping can reduce stress in the chicks but I have no study to back up this claim other than common sense. Fire danger is also reduced. I don't like heat lamps, does it show?


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    I also start them out with vertical nipple waterers. I know that this one is too large for this size brooder, but again it's just for a few days. Out in the coop I use the horizontal nipples for the big girls but I think that at first it takes less effort for them to get enough water from the vertical ones. I also have a smaller waterer with just two horizontal nipples that I'll use when I move them outside. I learned this while taking care of Scout. He couldn't stand on his feet - he stood on his hocks - and he couldn't balance and press the horizontal nipple adequately, so we were clicking it for him when he went for water. I put this one in there for him for a short time, then went back to the horizontal when he got stronger. This worked so well that I now have 2 chick waterers - my beginner system and the intermediate one. When these little babies go out to the coop they will be quite familiar with how it works. Oh, and it took less than half a minute to train these day old chicks to use it. One went over and clicked on the shiny metal thing. Water came out! She drank her fill, the others saw her do it, and I never had to do a thing. I don't have to worry about a dirty waterer, soaked bedding, and drowning chicks. The vertical waterers do leak a little more than the horizontal ones, but it's far easier to use a spatula and scoop up the bits of damp litter directly under the nipples than it is to have an entire brooder full of dumped, poopy water.


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    I want to leave you with two more pictures - this is Scout's domain after he recovered from his frostbite enough to go back outside with the big girls. They could see him, he could see them, but they were separate. He could get back into his "man cave" but the big girls couldn't follow him because the door was wired in such a way that only he could fit through. Mama Heating Pad kept him warm even with temps below freezing. We tucked the wire frame into a bed of straw that was dug out to be lower in the back than in the front rather than using a towel out there to hold the heat.

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    He looks pretty cozy in there, doesn't he? The day I took this picture it was 4 degrees below zero.

    I hope this information has been helpful. I don't claim that this is the best way to raise chicks, but it's the best way for me to raise them. This forum is all about sharing, and I wanted to share what I've learned right here from BYC and how I modified it to fit our situation. It's as natural as I can get without a broody, and the chicks are well prepared when the day comes for them to move out to the coop. No adjustment to darkness, no adjustment to a different waterer, and they and the girls can get acquainted with the safety of bars between them. We'll be setting up the bigger brooder out there built under the poop board as soon as my dear spouse is released from the hospital, and we'll use the same setup as we used for Scout, just larger to accommodate more chicks than just one. I'll do the work, he'll do the instructing and supervising. If you have any questions I'd be happy to answer them if I can.

    Edited to add: My friend Perchie Girl mentioned that the wire frame should be higher in the front than in the back. I did that, I just forgot to point it out when I was giving the description. I think, though, that you can see the taper in the photos. The smaller, chillier chicks can use the back and the larger chicks stay more toward the front. Thanks, Deb, for pointing out that omission so I could correct it!

    Edited dated 05/21/2017 On the old BYC platform, there was no way to edit an older post. This new platform, activated this week, does allow for late editing. Taking advantage of that, I'd like to give new visitors a link to the update in the frame setup. Some members reported chicks being trapped between the wires and the pad, and sadly at least one chick was lost. That's one chick too many. But the better system is much further down in the thread, and can be hard to find unless you want to read every page to get to it. So to make the choice between the newer setup and the original setup easier for you, I'm giving you a link that will take you directly to @Beekissed setup, which many of us have changed to. I hope this helps!

    https://www.backyardchickens.com/th...e-brooder-picture-heavy-update.956958/page-46
     
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  2. Ravynscroft

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    Awesome and amazing setup!!! Thank you for sharing it!!! :D
     
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  3. Blooie

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    Thanks. As I said, I certainly can't take the credit for this idea but I've talked about it in various posts and decide it was time to actually explain how I use it!
     
  4. RitzHomestead

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    Pretty awesome! Next year I may use this setup!
     
  5. Blooie

    Blooie Team Spina Bifida Premium Member

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    I think you'd be very pleased with it. I am, and the chicks are thriving!
     
  6. azygous

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    Outta the park, Blooie! I have chicks coming in May and I just put a new heating pad on my shopping list.

    One question : What heat setting is best to use? Hi, medium, or low? How do you figure out the right setting? Do you use a thermometer to test the temperature inside the chick cave?
     
  7. Blooie

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    Thanks, but as I said I sure can't take the credit for the idea, azygous. I've kicked this around since the first time I found the video. I'm thinking it was under the DIY, Show us Your Inventions thread. Anyway, I don't use a thermometer. The Sunbeam heating pad that I use has digital temperature settings and I start them out on the highest setting, the 6. If they get a little warm, they wander toward the front of the cave or come out into the main part of the brooder, too cool and they snuggle at the back. They aren't in actual physical contact with the pad, (except for those times when they climb on top of it and play or take quick naps) so they are pretty good at choosing the optimum place to be for comfort. Then, just like using a heat lamp, after a week I'll turn it down to the 4 or bend the curve in the frame up a little higher. Also, if I notice they are spending more time out of the cave than in it, that will indicate that they are outgrowing the need for so much heat, and I'll turn it down whether it's been a week or not. The beauty of this system, at least part of the beauty, is that I'm not heating an entire big area. I had problems with my first chicks because even the water got warm sometimes despite trying to keep it as far away from the lamp as possible.

    It's really been fun to watch them adopt Mama Heating Pad as a broody. When you watch a broody with her chicks, they are scurrying all over the place no matter how cold it is, then looking to find her and tuck up under her for a quick warm-up. They'll climb on her back, snuggle next to but not directly under her at times too, just watching the world go by and learning about their surroundings. These chicks are doing all of those same things - except this Mama doesn't move. Too funny! I'm really curious to see if, like chicks under a broody, these little guys begin to feather out faster because they are exposed to cool air as they explore rather than having a box that's pretty close to the same temperature (with maybe just a few degrees of variation) in the entire brooder box.
     
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  8. azygous

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    Mama Heating Pad solves several problems in a brooder, so I am in love with this concept! I hate the cumbersome heat lamp, always worrying about something coming into contact with the bulb and causing a fire, and Mama Heating Pad also solves the problem of blocking out light during the night time hours so the chicks aren't subjected to so much light-caused stress.

    If the chicks feather out sooner, say closer to three weeks than six, it will also solve the problem of the chicks needing to be inside for so many weeks.

    I see this idea catching on like wildfire. How long before someone mass produces "Chick Cave"?
     
  9. Blooie

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    Those Premier heat plate systems come pretty close. [​IMG]
     
  10. Matelew

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    I love this idea...I have to put my chickens outside but am having issues trying to keep the coop warm enough for the girls. With just a heating lamp and some tarp.

    Here's my question. Could I make the cave with just hardware cloth and chicken wire with out the dog farm as I don't have one or press and seal. I am thinking I can use almunim foil instead of the press and seal. There is already a couple cave like shelves in our coop so maybe use that to drape the wire over...
    Does the pad come in direct contact with the towels? Going to try this and will take a picture if I can get a successful set up..thanks so much for sharing.
     

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