Mama Heating Pad in the Brooder (Picture Heavy) - UPDATE

I've talked about this before on other threads. I'd like to say it was my own brilliant idea, but actually I saw a video made by a woman who broods her chicks outdoors using a heating pad "cave" and straw. The idea intrigued me, and I so wish I could give proper credit. Alas, I can't find the video now so I hope that if you know who it was, you will jump in here and let us know. My dear friend Beekissed was also a huge inspiration with the heating pad project. That woman is a font of good information and I'm lucky she's one of my best teachers. I used this heating pad method when we had a tiny chick who got frostbitten feet. (You can click on the link in my signature to read Scout's adventure.) I used it for the short time he was inside the house, then moved it outside to the coop. It worked so well that I am now using it for our latest batch of chicks. They were supposed to start out in the coop from the getgo. However, our long, several week long stretch of balmy weather ended the day I got the babies, so they are in the house until we get back above zero. One chick with frostbitten feet was enough. Then too, my sweet husband is in the hospital, and since he's my brooder builder we are a little behind on getting the outside coop brooder built. Now, on the to the "hows". I'm using a wire dog crate with hardware cloth running a bit up the sides to prevent escapees. This particular crate has a front door and a side door - mighty doggone handy! I used some good old Press 'n Seal and ran it around the crate. Believe it or not, it actually sticks to the hardware cloth very well. Then I tucked the excess under the crate. This has done a wonderful job of keeping the shavings inside the crate and not all over my living room floor! It's a little more crowded in there than I like, but in a few days they'll be going out to the big brooder. I got a scrap of wire fencing and bent it into a hoop. Then I stood it up with the open side down. You can see where I've used electrical tape to cover any little points left from cutting the wire. There was a hole in the top that I didn't like, so there's a bit of hardware cloth covering it. I'm using a Sunbeam heating pad. You can see on the control that I can opt to use the "Auto Off" feature so the pad stays on all of the time. As the chicks grow and as their need for a lot of heat changes, I can use a bigger bit of fence, make the hoop taller, and turn down the temp on the heating pad. This heating pad is the smaller model - there is also an extra large one and that's the one we'll be using when the chicks go outside, hopefully at the end of this week. The heating pad is draped over the wire frame. I didn't like the way the hardware cloth kept the heating pad from making full contact with the frame all the way down, so I replaced it with a smaller piece just larger than the hole. That is working better than what you see in this picture. Of course, if your scrap of fencing has no hole, you get to skip this fitting. Again using my good old Press 'n Seal, I covered a folded towel with it. Yes, it will stick, and stick very firmly. I tore the sheets longer than I needed and folded the excess under, pressing it there as well. This keeps the edges of the folded towel together, keeps the towel clean, and covers all of those frayed little fringes that are on the towel so the chicks don't try to eat them. The towel assembly goes over the heating pad, with a little awning to keep out light and give them a sense of being able to hide. The towel is tucked under the bottom edges of the frame, and at the back of the frame it goes all the way down to the floor of the brooder, holding in heat and closing off the back. You can see how dark and cozy it is under there. On the right side you can see where the towel is not pulled all the way down - I was trying to get a little more light in there for the photo. Um, didn't work! The little ones absolutely love this. They like to sit on top (hence the Press 'n Seal covering) and they go in and out at will for a quick warm-up, just like they would under a broody. They spend most of their time out of the "cave" exploring, eating and drinking and THEY control their own comfort. When the lights go out in the house, all of them have gone under for the night. In the first 24 hours they'd been here they'd already learned that night time is time for sleeping. They don't have a harsh light on all night. They are quiet all night long - no cheeping or fussing at all. Just blessed quiet! Personally I think that the natural day/night cycle and a full night of sleeping can reduce stress in the chicks but I have no study to back up this claim other than common sense. Fire danger is also reduced. I don't like heat lamps, does it show? [COLOR=B42000] [/COLOR] I also start them out with vertical nipple waterers. I know that this one is too large for this size brooder, but again it's just for a few days. Out in the coop I use the horizontal nipples for the big girls but I think that at first it takes less effort for them to get enough water from the vertical ones. I also have a smaller waterer with just two horizontal nipples that I'll use when I move them outside. I learned this while taking care of Scout. He couldn't stand on his feet - he stood on his hocks - and he couldn't balance and press the horizontal nipple adequately, so we were clicking it for him when he went for water. I put this one in there for him for a short time, then went back to the horizontal when he got stronger. This worked so well that I now have 2 chick waterers - my beginner system and the intermediate one. When these little babies go out to the coop they will be quite familiar with how it works. Oh, and it took less than half a minute to train these day old chicks to use it. One went over and clicked on the shiny metal thing. Water came out! She drank her fill, the others saw her do it, and I never had to do a thing. I don't have to worry about a dirty waterer, soaked bedding, and drowning chicks. The vertical waterers do leak a little more than the horizontal ones, but it's far easier to use a spatula and scoop up the bits of damp litter directly under the nipples than it is to have an entire brooder full of dumped, poopy water. I want to leave you with two more pictures - this is Scout's domain after he recovered from his frostbite enough to go back outside with the big girls. They could see him, he could see them, but they were separate. He could get back into his "man cave" but the big girls couldn't follow him because the door was wired in such a way that only he could fit through. Mama Heating Pad kept him warm even with temps below freezing. We tucked the wire frame into a bed of straw that was dug out to be lower in the back than in the front rather than using a towel out there to hold the heat. [COLOR=B42000] [/COLOR] He looks pretty cozy in there, doesn't he? The day I took this picture it was 4 degrees below zero. I hope this information has been helpful. I don't claim that this is the best way to raise chicks, but it's the best way for me to raise them. This forum is all about sharing, and I wanted to share what I've learned right here from BYC and how I modified it to fit our situation. It's as natural as I can get without a broody, and the chicks are well prepared when the day comes for them to move out to the coop. No adjustment to darkness, no adjustment to a different waterer, and they and the girls can get acquainted with the safety of bars between them. We'll be setting up the bigger brooder out there built under the poop board as soon as my dear spouse is released from the hospital, and we'll use the same setup as we used for Scout, just larger to accommodate more chicks than just one. I'll do the work, he'll do the instructing and supervising. If you have any questions I'd be happy to answer them if I can. Edited to add: My friend Perchie Girl mentioned that the wire frame should be higher in the front than in the back. I did that, I just forgot to point it out when I was giving the description. I think, though, that you can see the taper in the photos. The smaller, chillier chicks can use the back and the larger chicks stay more toward the front. Thanks, Deb, for pointing out that omission so I could correct it!
 
Ok, we are new at this. We have 3 little Buffs coming this week. So starting them now in the fall I have been wondering when a actual "safe" time would be to transition them. We of course are all set up to do the heat lamp BUT really like this idea much better. How long should we do this method indoors before moving it outdoors. Right now our over night temperature is anywhere from 50 to 36 degrees. We are so excited to start this new experience and we just want to do it right!
 
Ok, we are new at this. We have 3 little Buffs coming this week. So starting them now in the fall I have been wondering when a actual "safe" time would be to transition them. We of course are all set up to do the heat lamp BUT really like this idea much better. How long should we do this method indoors before moving it outdoors. Right now our over night temperature is anywhere from 50 to 36 degrees. We are so excited to start this new experience and we just want to do it right!
Welcome! I'm glad this idea appeals to you. Those of us who do it, and there are many, won't ever go back to heat lamps. With only 3 chicks, you can get by quite easily with the smaller heating pad. It's the same exact model but in a 3 chick size. I need the 15 chick economy size!
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That pad is usually available at Walmart. Read the box carefully - it has to allow you to flip the switch to stay on continuously and it will say so on the outside of the box. You'll also have to build a slightly smaller cave because there aren't as many of them to cuddle up for additional warmth.

As for when to put them outside, that depends on more than just temperature. Do you have coop out there built already? Electricity available? Some kind of warm bedding? If so, then please take a look at this article about raising chicks outdoors using Mama Heating Pad. I put mine outside from the start, as do many other people. Since these are your first ever chicks (congrats, by the way!) you might be not be comfortable letting them that far out of your sight and will probably want to enjoy watching them in the house. I have a wire dog crate that I use indoors, and I usually keep shipped chicks inside for the first 24 hours to watch for signs of shipping stress and to make sure they are eating and drinking before I "evict" them. I also want to make sure they understand where the cave and the warmth can always be found. Any weak chicks stay in until I'm comfortable with their progress, then they join the others outside. Even new chicks, less than a week old, are outside, even when our daytime temperatures were in the teens and twenties. Ridgerunner, another BYC member, puts them out as soon as they are dry in the incubator even in winter, but there a heat lamp is used. If I had an incubator, I'd do the same thing except with MHP.

I don't know how far into the thread you read, but I have a video (I think it's on page 4) of my chicks being raised outside posted. But, twist my arm and I might just be willing to repost it right here. Oooh, oww...okay, okay!!!

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So the short answer to your question is - almost immediately IF you have a predator proof coop built, IF you have access to power out there, and IF you feel comfortable with how well they are eating, drinking, and how well they know how to use the cave.

Now, there's a membership fee for belonging to the Broody Brigade. Pictures! We require photos of your new little ones!
 
Ooops, I took the pictures and forgot to post them.

I liked the press and seal.

Keeping cleaning easier, I like that.
The only thing I question is if, as it looks in this photo, you put the Press 'n Seal directly on the pad. If so, the heat from the pad is going to cause you some problems, I'm afraid. We discussed this early in the thread and came to the conclusion that the Press 'n Seal will adhere way too tightly to the heating pad and leave an un-removable adhesive residue, and also that by sealing the pad within the plastic the pad can't "breathe" and get any cooler air on the heating elements. So I would seriously reconsider that and just use the Press 'n Seal on the towel or pillowcase over the pad. Beekissed and a few others do away with the Press 'n Seal completely, instead wrapping their entire cave assembly within an old pillowcase or large towel to protect it, which I'm also going to do next time.

Gosh, I hate tossing a blanket on your enthusiasm! If I'd seen these before I would have let you know then that it's just not a good idea to do it that way. If I'm wrong and you don't have the pad itself covered, then shame on me for jumping to conclusions!
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Welcome! I'm glad this idea appeals to you. Those of us who do it, and there are many, won't ever go back to heat lamps. With only 3 chicks, you can get by quite easily with the smaller heating pad. It's the same exact model but in a 3 chick size. I need the 15 chick economy size! ;) That pad is usually available at Walmart. Read the box carefully - it has to allow you to flip the switch to stay on continuously and it will say so on the outside of the box. You'll also have to build a slightly smaller cave because there aren't as many of them to cuddle up for additional warmth. As for when to put them outside, that depends on more than just temperature. Do you have coop out there built already? Electricity available? Some kind of warm bedding? If so, then please take a look at this article about raising chicks outdoors using Mama Heating Pad. I put mine outside from the start, as do many other people. Since these are your first ever chicks (congrats, by the way!) you might be not be comfortable letting them that far out of your sight and will probably want to enjoy watching them in the house. I have a wire dog crate that I use indoors, and I usually keep shipped chicks inside for the first 24 hours to watch for signs of shipping stress and to make sure they are eating and drinking before I "evict" them. I also want to make sure they understand where the cave and the warmth can always be found. Any weak chicks stay in until I'm comfortable with their progress, then they join the others outside. Even new chicks, less than a week old, are outside, even when our daytime temperatures were in the teens and twenties. Ridgerunner, another BYC member, puts them out as soon as they are dry in the incubator even in winter, but there a heat lamp is used. If I had an incubator, I'd do the same thing except with MHP. I don't know how far into the thread you read, but I have a video (I think it's on page 4) of my chicks being raised outside posted. But, twist my arm and I might just be willing to repost it right here. Oooh, oww...okay, okay!!! So the short answer to your question is - almost immediately IF you have a predator proof coop built, IF you have access to power out there, and IF you feel comfortable with how well they are eating, drinking, and how well they know how to use the cave. Now, there's a membership fee for belonging to the Broody Brigade. Pictures! We require photos of your new little ones!
 



Noticed my pictures didn't upload the last time.We just need to finish the hardware cloth. So we set up the heating pad cave up in the coop and keep their door to the run open during the day just like if we had older chickens running around? And also looking at the picture....when the coop gets put in place outside we will pull the wheels up so it will be flush against the ground. Tank you so much for your help!!
 
My stupid father seems to think the smell will "soak into the wood" and "every time it rains/gets moist the smell will come out" and how you put them somewhere you can move them not somewhere you're gonna put a room in, etc. Etc. And keeps going on and on about how bad chickens smell, how he used to take care of them, I read a few articles and think I know everything but I don't know ****, etc. And he won't let them be in the upper part anymore. Personally I think he is stupid because people wouldn't raise them in their houses if the smell never ever went away.... Plus they're not even going to be on the wood but he seems to think they'll "get out." Umm, I wouldn't let them escape and run loose around our disgusting garage and get hurt? Anyway, my point is I'm pretty sure they'll unfortunately have to be on the concrete. But do you think if I do the plastic and blankets thing described above it would be okay?
 
My stupid father seems to think the smell will "soak into the wood" and "every time it rains/gets moist the smell will come out" and how you put them somewhere you can move them not somewhere you're gonna put a room in, etc. Etc. And keeps going on and on about how bad chickens smell, how he used to take care of them, I read a few articles and think I know everything but I don't know ****, etc. And he won't let them be in the upper part anymore. Personally I think he is stupid because people wouldn't raise them in their houses if the smell never ever went away.... Plus they're not even going to be on the wood but he seems to think they'll "get out." Umm, I wouldn't let them escape and run loose around our disgusting garage and get hurt? Anyway, my point is I'm pretty sure they'll unfortunately have to be on the concrete. But do you think if I do the plastic and blankets thing described above it would be okay?
Your father knows that of which he speaks. Chickens DO stink, concrete absorbs smells too so either way you will want to protect the floor of whatever area you keep them in. Cardboard is a great insulator too. Just make sure whatever you use as the layer next to the chicks is not slippery.
 
Your father knows that of which he speaks.  Chickens DO stink, concrete absorbs smells too so either way you will want to protect the floor of whatever area you keep them in.  Cardboard is a great insulator too.  Just make sure whatever you use as the layer next to the chicks is not  slippery.


Well, I figured they probably do smell but that it would be minimized by proper cleaning? Or no? And well, his idea is that we can just hose it down and pour bleach on it...

Either way, I will definitely try to make it as warm as possible and as non slippery. :)

I bought 2 bags of pine shavings yesterday but I may need more depending on the size of the brooder. That's easy enough though because they were $2.99 at the feed store and we're hopefully going to be heading that way tomorrow to pick up the pallets anyways.

That reminds me, I forgot to mention it before but we hit the jackpot on pallets yesterday haha we were dropping clothes off at a thrift store and drove around back while waiting for my mom (she went shopping in it and it's in a plaza with other stuff hah) and voila! 2 massive piles of pallets and they said if they're outside we can take as many and as often as we want. Some of them looked to be in great shape too. Soo.. We're going back tomorrow to get them.

The only other bad part about putting them on the first floor is that it is a disaster so we have to move a lot of stuff and they are arriving soon (they hatch the 26th)
 

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