Marans Thread - breed discussion & pictures are welcome!

[Debbi]

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They sure will if you continue to breed them.

Please see differences between ER and eWh. Everything else is just incidental and does not create a Wheaten.

edit: this may help, or not: http://frenchmaransclubaustralia.yolasite.com/notes-on-breeding.php

As per the Australian site:

The selection of the Brown-Red variety
In order to select and improve the Brown-Red variety, the most commendable solution consists in avoiding out crossing to any other variety. It is advisable to stick rigidly to an internal selection in the Brown-red variety as long as possible and to out cross only
in an emergency such as that caused by severe inbreeding depression… They most suitable outcross would be to one of the other ER based varieties.

However, this recommendation doesn't mean that crossings between varieties is impossible, but that it makes the control and the follow-up of the genetic characteristics inherited much more uncertain. One of the trickiest situations results from the crossings between Brown-Red (Birchen) and Black birds, by the confusion caused by the colour of the resulting hens …

When a Brown-Red is mated to a variety that is recessive to it all the resulting progeny will look like a Brown-Red. That's why some young birds of other colours can appear in Brown-Red lines. These colours, which are due to recessive characteristics, disappear after the first crossing with the Brown-Red but remain latent in the genotype ready to reappear in future generations; this is called the "atavistic return" of the recessive allele.

 

[Darth Egger]

You're quoting, but you're not understanding.

The only way to see if a BC Marans is carrying recessive Wheaten is to test mate to the appropriate mate and see the results. Looking at tail tufts and blonde hackles doesn't mean anything and those aren't going to magically combine to create a Wheaten where there is none. They simply constitute a flawed BC.

 

[Debbi]

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Guess we'll have to agree to disagree.

 

[Darth Egger]

That's fine. I'm really only about the eggs and thus in the wrong thread.

I'm going to breed Wheatens to Black Coppers and run with scissors.

edted to add: Cuckoos too.

 

[math ace]

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Guess we'll have to agree to disagree.

Well said Debbi !

I had to treat my first case of bumblefoot this weekend

It was on a Leghorn hen. I think the only reason she is staying calm in the house is because she is beside the swimming pool full of chirping chicks !

I LOVE

some of the people I have met on BYC. One our fellow byc members has been walking me through the treatment.

Just wanted to say "HI" before I call it quits for tonight.

 

[sewandgrow]

n.smithurmond :

Ok, I just looked at a picture of a wheaten rooster. This whole time I had just seen the hens and thought the darn roosters would look like the hens!! Now I see that it's not quite so obvious with the boys is it? So when Don mentions "wheaten influence" are we debating whether or not this cockerel is even a Black Copper?

My grown son thinks the same thing. He trys to tell me that my Wheaten Marans rooster & My BCM rooster look the same.........NOT!!!! Yes they have some simalarities. I have found that I personally prefer the BCM rooster, but that's just my own personal preference but I intend to be very careful not to mix the two colors. I am having enough trouble trying to keep what I am learning straight as it is without mixing things up.​

 

[fowled-out]

I think the Marans breed is so hard for the APA to recognize because of "consistency." I'm asian and I don't have the "chinky" eyes or be skinny figure. I'm fat and have a big huge nose and deep big eyes, so I guess that doesn't make me a asian? go figure. I breed for the french standard, as that's where they originated from.

 

[n.smithurmond]

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So if a correctly colored BC can carry the recessive gene and an imperfectly colored bird can be without then in the long term culling on the basis of wheaten influence alone isn't enough. You would have to first know if it's carrying the gene at all, right? Or Debbi are you saying that it's impossible to have brown fluff (or any other remnant of outcrossing to another color) unless the gene is there 100% of the time? I'm open to the possibility, but I still need someone to convince me that using BCs without influence (but unproven in terms of the recessive gene) is far less risky to someone starting a breeding program with a bird who exhibits wheaten influence unless wheaten influence MEANS they carry the gene a majority of the time.

And Sewandgrow; I did read a little about the differences btw a wheaten and BC and it became clearer. At first glance though it's amazing how similar the roos are when I was expecting them to look like the wheaten hens!

 

[Debbi]

n.smithurmond :

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So if a correctly colored BC can carry the recessive gene and an imperfectly colored bird can be without then in the long term culling on the basis of wheaten influence alone isn't enough. You would have to first know if it's carrying the gene at all, right? Or Debbi are you saying that it's impossible to have brown fluff (or any other remnant of outcrossing to another color) unless the gene is there 100% of the time? I'm open to the possibility, but I still need someone to convince me that using BCs without influence (but unproven in terms of the recessive gene) is far less risky to someone starting a breeding program with a bird who exhibits wheaten influence unless wheaten influence MEANS they carry the gene a majority of the time.
And Sewandgrow; I did read a little about the differences btw a wheaten and BC and it became clearer. At first glance though it's amazing how similar the roos are when I was expecting them to look like the wheaten hens!

It's always possible that the "normal" BCM may be carrying the gene. In MY opinion, it's more obvious if they are showing the influences. Either way you are going to take a chance, but why would you want to if the clues were already showing through? So, for me personally, I'll go with what I suspect and try to avoid continuing the potential problem. It would be like going outside to the garage. You have two cars in there. One has an obvious flat tire, the other one doesn't. Now, there's always the chance that that car's tire could go flat too, but in my eyes, that would be the obvious one to drive.

Forgive the analogy, I've only had one cup of coffee!

 

[pinkchick]

Morning Everyone!!!!!!!!